It is clear now what the Black Heart was, a proto-Darkness, created by studying the Worms of the Hive. Quria, and his subminds, are the Vex we face currently. These are the ones that worship the Black Garden and share the Hive God complex, but does that mean there’s no more? Could it be that the Vex have several like Quria, and millions who follow each? Could Quria be but one of the central minds that control all the Vex? Of course then there are different Vex with different agendas, so what of them? Did they not cross into the Hive Throne World and discover the act of worship? It seems that way, it seems that Savathûn, mother-morph of Sathona, sister to Oryx, Queen of the Awoken, has had contact with other Vex, the Harbinger Minds.
So what of Mara, what is her plan? Still living, faking her death and in doing so getting close, real close, to the Dreadnaught. Well… let’s look at two more cards. Oryx: Rebuked and Oryx: Defeated. In my opinion both of these cards are spoken by Toland, the Shattered and also that Toland is the “spark” that guides us throughout the story, but that’s for another time. [quote][b]In World the stars never shone,
The worm never bred in our flesh,
We lived for a day
Our teeth were too short
We were hungry for things we could not eat[/b]
Hello again. It’s me. I’m sure you know my name. Let me talk a while, let me talk, I do take a debased joy in speaking again to small human-form heads.
When Crota’s victory over our little blue world seemed certain (a moment of silence, now, for Wei Ning, whose directness I admired) it was Oryx who called His Child back into the nether world to plan final victory. It was to Oryx that the violence of His spawn was tithed.
Oryx is the wielder and the servant of a terrible truth. He has predicated Himself on it, He has pursued across thousands of cairn worlds His quest to embody it, and you have seen the force of that truth expended to create these Taken.
He is not a simple thing to kill. He wants to be isomorphic to conquest, to triumph, to killing and death. He is a syllogism, now, but in time He hopes to become an axiom.
This is His strength and His fatal weakness.
For if he ever falters in His performance, if the inflow of devastation ever falls behind His expenditure of ruin, He will be consumed. If He is ever outmatched, then by the terms of His own existence, He will cease.
It is to Oryx Himself, in the heart of the Dreadnaught that armors and encapsulates his throne-world, that you must make your last and surest argument.
Good luck! Do let me know if a vacancy opens.[/quote] [quote][b]Listen —
Death is the last part of living
and life is learning to die
The song is the same as the singing
The last truth commands me
to eat all the light in the sky
I will go on forever. I will understand.[/b]
Dwell a moment on the weight of what you’ve done. Contemplate the story you just ended. Will you ever do anything that screams down the millennia? Will you ever hammer your will on the universe until it rings and rings and rings? Oryx was an awesome power. Show reverence.
All right. Enough. Enough. A vacancy has opened, hasn’t it?
How interesting. How very interesting.
Do you ever pause, dear listener, to consider who benefits from all this heroism you commit? Do you ever look around you and feel the faintest chill? As if you are the tiny little ball bearing placed beneath a great mass, so that it might, if pushed, begin to roll?
You’re a god yourself, now. You’ve consecrated yourself. Emulate me. Use your power to learn.
There are worse things to practice being.[/quote]
And now we get to the root of Destiny. Mara Sov. Mara, who led us to the Black Garden to dispose of the Proto-Dark that mimicked her god, Mara who saved us from the Wolves and then used us as pawns to dispose of them when the battle was too great; furthermore using the Wolves themselves, and more directly Skolas to predict the coming of her brother! Mara Sov who faked her death, sacrificed several of her own people, all to grant us entry to the Dreadnaught to defeat Oryx himself. She is far far too cunning for us Guardians. We’ve killed fledgling gods who think nothing of destruction, smarter gods who weave and unravel, and even the father who navigated the stars, but can we defeat the her? One so wise, so cunning? And will we ever have to? What is she planning? Is it simply to remove her brother from the picture? Or is it to claim the Hive as her own, subjects to replace her once Wolves.
But even more worrying is something mentioned in a grimoire we’ve actually already covered, Coven. [quote]“So now the decision is nigh. The Harbingers, which to prepare?” Shuro was determined to see this all through. Excitement was taught to be kept at bay.
“We cannot send them all.” Portia reminded.
“All but one, the oldest. It stays with us. Sedia, Kalli, Shuro, take the children, tell her they are to be planted into a dead thing to have children of their own.” A plan hid behind Illyn’s eyes, but Techeuns do not share their eyes with others.[/quote]
I save this for the last thing to be said because it’s the one thing that i cannot confidently say I comprehend. Mara, and her Techeuns, shot the Harbingers into the Dreadnaught to breed. An infestation in the Dreadnaught, eating it from the inside out. We defeated Oryx, leaving that vacancy, and now this? Honestly Guardians, I’m worried. Mara is more than we could ever hope to defeat. While others, Gaurdian (that’s a name), disagree and think she’s on our side, I can’t shake the feeling we’re not getting the full scope of her agenda.
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Thankyou for reading Guardians, this is your friendly neighborhood AnonPig, and I hope you enjoyed this theory.
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Very compelling. You make a solid, believable argument that the queen is Oryx's sister. But what caused her to turn from the Deep? And also, in the first grumpier card you mentioned, the one where Eris comes to the queen, did I read it wrong or did she come with someone? Did she come with Toland?
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Anon, do you think the rest of the Awoken had any idea of her deceit? Did the Techeuns know? They seem to know about some of the power, and in the cards they seemed to be plotting something. Those Techeuns always rubbed me the wrong way, they are way too mysterious.
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Love it. Question though, it says in the coven card that these harbringers are a trophy of an ancient war. Could this be the remnants of the gift mass? The weaponized dead star plasma? And if Mara is who you say, do you feel she's gain knowledge now in the light and the dark, realizing the darkness is wrong? And what is her brothers place in all this?
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I really enjoy reading your theories.. but have one question.. do you know what might have been of Xivu Arath or his where abouts from clues in the grimoire?
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If she is who you say, then is it possible that the prison of elders is the court that savathun created after oryx made his court?
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Edited by ScottEggert: 11/30/2015 5:08:26 PMInteresting to say the least. It also kind of fits with my theory that the Traveler is part of the Vex as i surmise that only a Vex Overmind (Judge) could stop the Vex cold from transforming a planet.You need to remember that the Vex are a Darkness so Dark they despise all other Darkness. That can only happen if the Vex were so seeped in the Light that they didn't have a concept of Darkness until they encountered Crota. And Because they had no concept of Darkness the Heart of Darkness was able to corrupt the Vex so compleatly. I would like your thought on this avenue of thought and also why you think the Traveler choses us the youngest of all the races to be it's last defenders of the Light.
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So if this is true that the queen is savathun, and she killed oryx with her cunning, then by killing logic would the queen now have oryx's power?
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Very interesting. Though I had my cards on Mara Sov living through that battle. I will re-think my own theories with this theory.
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Interesting. I like alot of these theories but I always thought the "spark" leading us through the raid was one of the Harbingers.
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My anon, you bring such controversy with your ideas, but you make good points. What does this say about the rest of the awoken though? And if we are going off your logic the harbinger minds are vex axis minds not linked to worship, wouldn't that imply she's linking a vex network or something similar into the dreadnaught, the vex who were the other beings who gave the hive such trouble, and could likely act as a backup? And how does this connect to your theory about the vex being connected to the travler? Sorry, so many questions this brings up. Thanks for sharing the theory.
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Edited by Ruin Tree: 11/5/2015 10:52:03 PMEdit: After careful consideration, this theory doesn't seem viable anymore
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Ouch. This is a lot to handle and goes against everything. I need to re-sit myself.
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Very well done as usual anon. I disagree on this one for now but time will tell. The queen is definitely something, I just don't think it's sava.
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I want to say that in the King's Fall Activities Grimoire Card, Eris is also in communication with Osiris. And given Osiris' presence in the Reef through Brother Vance, it's safe to assume Mara Sov and Osiris are connected somehow as well. I don't think the Queen is Savathun, (not enough evidence ), but I'd love to see them play a game of chess.
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Too much a stretch I'm sorry
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The only thing holding me from believing the Mara Sov is Savathun is that Oryx, Savathun, and Xivu Arath are bent on the destruction of the Traveler as it caused the godwave that killed most if not all of the life within the Fundament. If Mara were in fact Savathun, she would have let the Wolves join the rest of the Fallen to destroy the city and take the Traveler. Also, as Savathun must be cunning in order to exist, the Fallen would be decimated from the fight to take the City and this would allow dor Hive to sweep through, destroying the Fallen and destroy the Traveler as the Traveler is not "awake" so it can flee. Normally, I would back up my counter-theory with grimoire, I am not queit sure how to insert them in. I might in an edit.
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I also said Mara was Savathun after seeing this Grim card. What linked it for me was that there is a Book of Sorrows card that said Savathun had created a coven and then we get the Grimoire "The Coven", clearly one and the same. Now that Oryx is dead, Mara can take his place. I'm not sure what the Harbingers are, but we know they are a weapon. I think the coven sent worms to the Dreadnaught to grow and feed and become like Oryx's court, an army to feed Mara's worm.
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Didn't read anything from the grimoire , because app, but what I got from this theory is that the Queen might be alive. I'm cool with that.
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Why does her worm not consume her. Whom is she killing. To feed the worm?
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Edited by Guardian0fEarth: 11/3/2015 8:12:52 PMThis is amazing! One thing though, if Mara is Savathün, then wouldn't this make Uldren Xivu Arath?
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If anon made a TL;DR it would need a TL;DR itself! :P Good Read
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what if the black heart of the garden was the worm
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From Fallen Ghost Fragment 4 [quote]I AM LORD OF WOLVES, the Kell sends. YOU ARE AN EMPTY THING WITH TWO DEAD SOULS. THIS IS MY HOUSE. THESE ARE MY TERMS. SURRENDER AND I WILL ONLY TAKE YOUR SHIPS.[/quote]
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Ok if that's true then that means uldren is Xivu Arath
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Edited by C-Sentinel: 10/25/2015 3:06:40 AMSo you're saying thay Mara Sov is Savuthan? Also, I think you are right when you mention they're may be other axis minds other than quria, as Quria was created solely to counter Oryx. Great work btw.
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