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I agree with most of your suggestions. Increase Bright Dust gains and I do think everything in Eververse for silver could be reduced by 100-300 per item. I also like the idea that the bright engrams we get could be turned to bright dust. Honestly used to enjoy getting them but now they are like a prime engrams once you hit the cap. Useless to us vets. Now I will say that your point about free to play. I’m ok with the model Bungie has given. Most battle royals have a battle pass that’s roughly $10 per season much like the season pass. They are both about 3 months long and I will say that I’m some ways Bungie is doing it better because with a battle pass you only get cosmetics. We are getting a battle pass plus an expansion that actually gives us new events and game modes. Plus if you bought all the season passes at once with Shadowkeep you get all 4 seasons for $25. Still there is definitely a need for some tweaks.

Anyone saying that OP isn't qualified to talk about this clearly don't understand how this whole forum thing works. Everyone has a right to their opinion and OP did an exceptional job putting their thoughts into a well thought out criticism of the current Eververse system and even offered solutions rather than just pointing out the obvious. If no one talks about the problems, how is anything going to be fixed? We would still be in the static-roll double-primary weapon system that D2 launched with in that case. On one hand I think the ornament system is a great addition to the game - being able to use armor with the stats I want while being the look I want is fantastic, BUT it's added even more reason for Bungie to push Eververse over everything else. I don't want to go on a tirade about the quality of armor design in D2, but there is a [b]massive[/b] difference in quality between the vast majority of armor available in-game and the Eververse armor. As OP said, I have no problem with Eververse being in the game if Bungie really needs it - hell even if some emotes and skins are paywall exclusive it's whatever - but it becomes a problem when every single season they add so much to the Eververse (including unique armor) while the Crucible and Vanguard armor is the same armor from 2 years ago. Even this season's Iron Banner armor (which has always been the most sought after and unique) is just basic looking armor with the IB symbol on it. It's frustrating for those of us who've been playing Destiny for years because we've seen the potential and true peaks that Bungie and the Destiny Universe can offer and it would be a true shame to see all that locked behind yet another paywall.

In all honesty, there was no need to go to the extream Bungie's Eververse team did. This is a business, and money was more of a priority over thinking about the player base. [b]They know actually what they are doing, it's why they get paid to do their job however that may be. There are no "mistakes" in what took place, it was all planned out.[/b] What I don't get is, having the community manager come on here asking for Bungie on what they can do to improve things when it comes to Eververse. For example, this is from Barrett... https://www.bungie.net/en/Explore/Detail/News/46567 Then you add the 5 years of feedback from this forum, Reddit and where ever else Bungie gets their info and they don't know how to be reasonable when it comes to Silver/Bright dust and don't know how to improve things? Because I don't call this thinking about the player base... [spoiler]Bungie removed the Matrix They removed Event engrams They removed being able to collect bright engrams just running activities They shut down Eververse for a couple of weeks that you couldn't purchase anything for bright dust The items you can purchase with bright dust is little next to nothing at all or gear from one of last year's event They jacked up the cost to purchase items with silver They jacked up the cost to purchase (hand-picked items) for bright dust The limit how much bright dust you can acquire by removing options we use to have to acquire bright dust.[/spoiler] Then there is this that I found interesting... https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/dj1dl5/eververse_is_broken/ Meanwhile, while Eververse is been well taken care of and has been for 2 years, this is what Bungie is saying on why the rest of the game that really needs to be updated hasn't been updated. https://stevivor.com/features/interviews/destiny-2-vendor-refresh-unlikely-as-bungie-looks-forward/ So overall? for this company to even act as if they don't know how to improve things is an insult.

Even just being able to dismantle eververse items for bright dust would be better. The reality of it is bungie knew EXACTLY what they were doing, they put a lot of time and effort into planning this out just for the sole purpose of being able to push silver sales. First, the tribute hall. It's entire existence seems designed toward players who had stockpiled materials, especially bright dust, and they dangled bad juju and it's catalyst like a carrot from a stick and it worked exactly as intended. Look how quickly the cheese got patched AND didn't they lock the rewards of those who cheesed it until they unloaded their hoards? Next thing they did was announce the whole plan to reward us with bright dust from bounties, and we all ate it up, even I thought this was great it's gonna be raining bright dust. Well we all see now that's just not the case. Now we have the grand finale, raise the prices of everything and make the best stuff silver only. They knew there would still be some hoarders so they made some items require a large chunk of bright dust. You may feel none of it matters it's just cosmetic and if you don't like it don't buy it. It doesn't affect my gameplay so it's fine, this is a flawed argument for the simple fact that it DOES affect gameplay in that bungie is spending resources developing eververse content that could be used to make the rest of the game better. Personally I don't have a problem purchasing eververse items, if I wanted to I could afford all the silver I want, my problem with eververse in it's current state is I feel it is taking away from the actual game itself. I enjoy this game and want it and bungie to be successful but I feel the quality of the content is suffering as a direct result of eververse. I'll continue to enjoy the game as at it's core it really is a fun game, but the amount of reskinned and reused content being sold to us over and over is seriously frustrating.

Well said and thought out : thanks guardian !!

Thank god someone adresses it, hopefully bungie will look at the issue. I really do miss bright engrams

[quote]And also if you say "they are just cosmetics,they don't have an impact gameplay" please stop. A big part of RPGs and loot games is the ability to look sexy. Honestly if you think that cosmetics don't matter go back to Anthem.[/quote] Finally somebody said it. They don't affect gameplay, but they affect US. MMO's and RPG's have entire communities dedicated to fashion. Warframe, Dark Souls, World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy XIV and we even have r/DestinyFashion, a subreddit DEDICATED towards fashion in DESTINY. When we look good, we feel good. And when we feel good, we DO good.

[quote]Destiny Veteren here with 3000+ hours in Destiny (so feel like I can give an experienced player point of view and yeah I'm a nerd XD). I'm saying these things because I LOVE playing the game and want it to be better. Bungie please fix the Eververse please. It has become so consumer unfriendly in Shadowkeep. Bright Dust gains are so abysmal (Even to hardcore players who play daily), the lack of season/Event engrams makes it increasingly harder to attain all the Eververse items in a given season (not to mention pretty much half of the new items you can't even get without paying) and the Eververse Items itself cost to much. I Also put some suggestions on Solutions at the bottom as well. First of all the Bright Dust Economy. 200 per weekly bounty and 10 bright dust per bounty is NOTHING. At least DOUBLE the amount you earn per bounty. I play Destiny on a daily basis and even I'm struggling to buy stuff from Eververse, I can't imagine what it's like for those who don't have that luxury. Also Nostalgic Engrams are basically useless for those who've been playing this game, and worse, you can't dismantle the items for bright dust. I'd say if you're going to keep doing these "recycled" Eververse engrams, when you have everything in it, you should be GUARANTEED to get bright dust from it. Warmind to Season of the drifter were so much more CONSUMER FRIENDLY as we can grind out all the cosmetics in a season and get double engrams in events to get even more items! Now what do we get? we wait weekly for bright dust items in which most players can't barely afford and the rest of the eververse items are locked behind a paywall. Overall we get much less Eververse stuff which is a bummer. Next the Eververse Silver costs for items are too expensive. Some people argue that due to Destiny being free to play, it's a fair system as the cosmetic costs ($15 for Halloween set) are akin to other free to play games like fortnite but this is only partially true. [b]We still PAY FOR EXPANSIONS/SEASONS[/b]. So no it's not like other free to play games. The Costs of these items need to come down in price. If you want to make things expensive for those who are free to play (even tho it's still shady) go ahead but don't punish the players who actively spend money on expansions/seasons and support the game. Here are some solutions I think that would be more fair (especially for paying players). Hopefully Bungie can take some of these into consideration. 1. Increase Bright Dust Gains in weekly/renewable bounties. 2. Bring back seasonal engrams/event engrams. 3. Reduce the cost of silver on Eververse Items. 4. Allow Bright Dust to drop in nostalgic engrams all the time once you've got everything or bring back bright dust gains from dismantling items you get from them. Again, I'm saying these things because I like this game and want it to be better. I don't mind Eververse or micro transactions being in the game as long as it's FAIR. And also if you say "they are just cosmetics,they don't have an impact gameplay" please stop. A big part of RPGs and loot games is the ability to look sexy. Honestly if you think that cosmetics don't matter go back to Anthem. EDIT: For those who've said that they stockpiled Bright Dust, That's good for you but most people unfortunately do not have that Luxury, Not everyone played 3 years Straight. [b]In fact, you are indirectly proving my point that Bright Dust gains was better before Shadowkeep as you have so much right now due to the OLD SYSTEM[/b]. Just imaging starting to play Destiny at Shadowkeep. Yeah... its going to be rough. I'll ask you guys this: [b]Do you prefer this system right now or the system from Warmind to Season of drifter? Do you really prefer getting less cosmetics and bright dust? Do you prefer only waiting week after week for new eververse items? Do you prefer around 50% of the items to be silver exclusive?[/b] I'm going to safely predict that most people would prefer the old system but hey... might be wrong.[/quote] I agree with your post. I came onto the forums myself to make a similar post. I’m one of those “played 3 years straight” players. I started shadowkeep off with 63k bright dust and I’m now down to 48k. We need more options to earn bright dust or every time we level up we are guaranteed a ever-verse shop engram. The season rewards are great but we need an engram for ever level earned. Please either do away with the garbage (for me it’s garbage) nostalgia engrams. And if you do leave them in allow us the opportunity to earn all the items from these engrams. Example once earned you can only earn new items,like it used to be. We are sitting here for hours playing your game and we are the ones that always purchase the top tier dlc package for new content (at least I always do). Make us feel appreciated keep us happy and coming back for more. I quit grinding every day that I have free time because there is no incentive. I looked forward to that level up engram to get that ghost shell I wanted or piece of armor that was recently released.

That is a lie its not consumer unfriendly you have a choice consider using it

I agree with you. Who can buy - they buy items. And for players who play a lot of time and love this game don't have any options to get this stuff just playing this game. We have big problem with eververse, because this give us only 1 options - spent our money for cool stuff. If eververse will give us a chose - you can buy or you can play well and get this stuff without spent money - it will be great. And bungie will keep make money from eververse...because who can buy, they will buy. This will 1 change for players who have time and can get this stuff without spent money

Why would they rather sell 1000 things at £10 than 10,000 things at £1? I don't get the mentality.

There’s a really simple solution: Extend additional bright dust rewards through weekly bounties for [b]Season Pass Holders[/b] only. #fleecethefreeloaders