So recently, in the Rise Of Iron Grimoire cards, its been revealed that Rezyl Azzir, one of the first risen to be called a Guardian, met Xyor the Unwed on the Moon. This heavily hints that he is fact Dredgen Yor, the owner of Thorn and mass murderer. However, even though it seems that he could be, people are going with the argument that he is still a Hunter because of his rose artifact and cloak. But one thing people haven't realised is that his cloak wasn't his originally, he took that cloak when he murdered Pahanin, the Hunter who escaped the vault and went insane. They're also talking about the new Cathedral of Dust Grimoire card saying its Shaxx talking to Dredgen, which doesn't make any sense as A) They're on the Dreadnaught and B) In the card they talk about Yor as someone seperate from the Hunter mentioned who is saying he cleansed Thorn (probably the new quest). So its just Shaxx (or another Titan) talking to a Hunter who is using a cleansed Thorn.