From a very low tier raider who does minimum raids... Pantheon is a rushed, timed raid experience that is more in line with contest mode than normal/master mode. The rewards are not appealing enough yo get lazy bummers like me to attempt it because it's easier to farm normal raid encounters from checkpoints. Red border lure is also not enough as there are enough guns in respective archetype pools to diminish the value of raid red borders. Raid exotics are just mostly superceded by other non raid exotics or not worth the exotic spot. So it's more of a vanity than a necessity to get these guns. I've had my 1k voices from my first LW clear, but it's just a useless gun for most of the game content. Farming the rotator raid on normal or master for respective raid exotic feels easier. I used to farm VoD but got bored and didn't go for the exotic, but that is what I would rather do than Pantheon. People who don't raid won't care about this. People who raid a lot will probably find this repetitive and boring. People, in between, will split between the two ends of the spectrum of difficulty and either get bored, get the loot, or give up. If the goal of this activity was to provide loot to hard-core raiders, then it would make no sense because they have everything they need by now. If it was to challenge mid level raider, then it probably works, but there aren't too many of these players left. It had not managed to bring my raiding friends back to D2.

[quote]How is the difficulty?[/quote] Honestly not that bad; I’ve run the oryx exalted difficulty like 4 times this week. But I’m not looking forward to contest mode difficulty. Also the shot caller buff sucks; class warfare felt better imo. [quote]Are the encounter tweaks enjoyable?[/quote] Golgoroth is fine, and Caretaker is also fine. Explicator/Planets is just annoying; I straight up hate those fire tornadoes and the tormentor doesn’t really do much and is just an annoying presence. Atraaks is still easily clearable, but I am glad that there’s no arc threat. And the tormentors are just annoying. They don’t feel like they belong in that encounter; a brig or something would have made more sense. The oryx changes are alright. The infinite light eaters put more pressure on each side which is nice, but again the tormentor doesn’t feel like it belongs there. Also the two taken oryxes are an alright change, and it was nice to use whisper again. [quote]How do you feel about the scoring and time bonus?[/quote] I’m not a fan of it. As many others have said, it feels arbitrary, and it really sucked with atraaks this week. Like seriously, just have the time trial be enough to get the platinum score. It infuriated me that it shows that you got the platinum time bonus, but that the platinum time bonus doesn’t actually mean that you got a platinum score. Who let this through? Like seriously, please get some rest; your brain is suffering right now from what I assume is a lack of sleep. The only aspect of the timer that I both like and dislike is that to realistically complete the encounters in time you have to two phase each one. It would be nice if each encounter got an extra minute or something, because it sucks getting a boss to like 2 pixels from final stand, but not having enough time to actually get to another actual damage phase.

As a Raider it's fine. It doesn't really feel too difficult. For Golgoroth having 2 Unstable Lights is actually an advantage they do about a million damage each so getting a 1 Phase is easier. On Caretaker the Orge is a good spin and so are the extra Pervading Darkness bees, but it really doesn't feel any different from regular Caretaker. The time trial is what's most noticeable In Macrocosm fire vortex's are hilarious. If it were me I'd have hit every plate at the same time just so everyone gets a taste. Then finally Atraks-1. Atraks feels no different from the original at all. I think it would've been great if the left and right Servitors were replaced with Tormentors. We often just ignore the Tormentor completely and still get Platinum. Finally for the Taken King himself, I actually love the changes for this encounter. Light-Eaters every time a Runner goes up 2 Shadows of Oryx in the wills dimension, and bombs don't stop until you defeat the Knights. That's all solid, but Bombs is definitely more lethal than Thunderdome so I hope on the next go around Thunderdome gets a little extra. Like taking 2 players at a time, that'd be great to add pressure

I would have had it more random with the encounters choosing from a pool of boss encounters and only have one preset encounter at the end with that rotating through the final bosses from each raid.

Would be a good place to bring bosses from the dcv that are not planned to come back as a returning raid.

I love it, my concerns are the timer for week 3/4, because I doubt we will do enough damage to 2 phase. My biggest complaint/critique is how this is a limited time event and not a permanent endgame goal. People have wanted something like Pantheon for years. The Godslayer title is probably the best named title ever added to the game. To put an expiration on it is frustrating, exclusivity does not make content better, nor does it motivate people to do it because they are more likely to give up due to not having the time. Pantheon has proven that my clan members have things to work on to be able to handle that high tier level of difficulty, but when these difficulties only stay for a short time, it doesn't allow us to really practice and test our growth. In other words, if 1% of the community are the only ones clearing it and getting this now forced ultra rare title because of an arbitrary time limit, that doesn't sound like content that was successful, it just promotes elitism. It alienates the majority of players who probably could achieve it if they simply had more time. It's hard enough to where there's plenty of people who would never get it done, yet it pushes the limits of our capabilities to give us something to strive for, if it stayed and wasn't a limited time event. I could say the same for contest mode, it would be nice if it was a selectable difficulty instead of just 48 hrs, and if clan members got better they could test themselves in that just for the contest emblem as the only prize. Some people would probably be against that idea, but my logic is why are we barring people the ability to earn any reward in the game? The fomo model and the "you had to be there" mentality is what kills the motivation for people to want to keep playing. It's why the New Light system fails, and why I can't recommend new people to try Destiny. If you are the 1% with the shiny trophies because you were that good and had that much time, great job. But your flashy achievements don't mean anything to the other 99% when they are told they missed out for xyz reasons and can't earn those trophies for themselves. If Bungie cares about Destiny staying afloat, make content and rewards that stay around, and restore the content that was already removed or time restricted. Because when Final Shape is over, the state of the game is gonna be on a thin line, that many are already walking out on because they don't agree with it

Difficulty is fine so far and I like the changes like making more knights spawn in oryx, but throwing in a tormentor as a change isn't really my favorite. It just feels like throwing an annoying enemy at us instead of an actual change. I like the weekly modifiers too. I don't know if I'm going to think caretaker 2 floor is particularly fair in weeks 3 and 4, but I haven't played them yet. Week 3/4 bosses might need a timer extension for platinum. What I REALLY don't like is the arbitrary scoring system. If you're good enough to instantly nuke the boss like atraks in this week's pantheon, you should get plat.

Sorry not relevant feedback misread.

It's fantastic. Adding challenge back into the game is always welcome.

Really great tbh, would love to see bungie innovative on these systems further, feels like the first step to what master mode should be.

Fix caretaker, its extremely difficult for people because time is horrible

Really enjoyed it .The difficulty is spot on . 50 wave rewards on legend could be a little better. Overall 👍 from me.

The amount of bugs in the event are off putting , getting platinum in the events and not regestering on the quests, planets not showing, Atracks is a mess, and most times teams need to go into orbit and return, plus why the new addition of tormentors if just to cause annoyance, raid bosses mechanics should have been left alone. and really 8 bosses for the final, when on average some teams take 5 to 6 hours just to clear the 5 bosses, I'm aware these can be easly done comfortably in under 2 hours, but how many players doing the event are at that level, so stright away all the new lights and new raiders are at a disadvantage giviing the added power levels of the bosses, many raiders who dont do day ones wont be doing week 4, hopefully in the final week the power level will return to nornal, which would at least give people a chance to earn the seal a little bit easier.

Feels rewarding, even if a bit tedious. A test of endurance that exceeds most challenges commonly in the game. The first two weeks were still accessible to those willing to make a proper build and learn each encounter.. The loot makes it worth the effort. The emblems are great too. Some of the best ones you can earn. It's nice when things you can earn are of similar quality to what you can pay extra for. Give a reason to play. To grind.

It's pretty fun so far. I think, though, that if "platinum" is achieved, that should be it. Not, "Hey, you got platinum, just not high score," which really is the point of it. Our group is chaotic (hence our clan name) and generally somewhat uncoordinated depending on the day, so it's been fun to see if we can actually do it or not. We raid a ton, but Pantheon forces us not to take our sweet a** time in places like we're used to. I also wish it wasn't a limited time thing... at least not 5 weeks limited. Overall, I like it so far.

It's alright and being ablw to get adepts is fun but don't think it's for me, it's very stressful. Mainly though it's the timer and feeling like you're expecting us to be absolutely perfect when let's be honest thebgame itself isn't even perfect. On the -20 one we better get a little bit more time, not a lot mind you maybe like 2 extra minutes or something because that could make a difference.

It was fun, pretty sure -10 is my clans limit but we'll keep going and try but -15 might be a stretch for us n contest mode -20 even with active surges def won't happen for us even with a week. Shame I would have liked the title. Good rewards n activity structure..