One of the other things that makes PVP truly a painful experience is mixing PVE experience and PVP. Personally while I don't mind PVP I honestly get pretty bored with 'run, shoot like crazy, grenade, run!' rinse and repeat for hours over the same maps. Then to make it worse when you are 3v3 and the other two players on your team are L20+ because they have finished the campaign but have NEVER been in the Cruicible and you get matched up against 3 pretty much Crucible only guys (you know who you are... the ones with low Grimorie scores and only Crucible gear) it is simply a slaughterfest and no fun for either side (except for of course those sad folks who like being Cabbage Patch Assassins) and certainly means those newbies are going to pretty much hate the experience for at least the first 25 matches or so until they start to learn the maps, etc. Trust me the opposite is also true. A player I've known a long time on Xbox Live has always been a PVP guy. Loves it and can't get enough. I don't think he has ever finished a Halo campaign and really has no idea about the storyline. I challenged him to join me in some raid and he laughed and told me how he would just blow through it since 'the stupid f'ing computer will never be able to be as hard to beat as other human players'. Needless to say... since we're both L25+ we were on the 'insane' difficulty levels and he got his ass handed to him... repeatedly... I'm pretty sure if there was a Xbox award for most times reviving a single fellow player I would have won it. He just kept trying the same Rambo tactics (if you want to call them that) he uses so successfully in Crucible. Nope... PVE requires actual tactics and strategy. Overall Level - gets you all the toys, etc. Individual PVE or PVP score gets your matchmaking in those events. That way since supposedly 'leveling' advantages are smoothed away you really do match up players of similar 'experience' with that game type. Just my two cents of course.