The Ogre in the Wretched Eye Strike needs to be re-evaluated. No one is complaining that the Ogre is part of the fight, so killing it would trivialize the fight, but the Ogre needs to have its mechanics retooled. Right now, the Ogre isn't just a nuisance, it is downright cheap. The Ogre might as well cast Level 100 Death and wipe the team the moment it gets enrages. The Ogre not only seeks out players very aggressively despite being [i]"blind"[/i]. It also enrages & runs faster than player characters can; often pushing them into the corners, causing players to remain stuck in the air, unable to dodge/move/evade. The Ogre [b][i][u]NEEDS[/u][/i][/b] a defined way to be dealt with. The better option for it to be stunnable. [b][u]Pre-Enrage:[/u][/b] [u]1. Stunning the Ogre[/u] The Ogre should be stunnable in 2 ways. a. By doing ___ amount of damage. & b. Tossing a grenade into the exposed eye socket. Both should cause the Ogre to fall to its knees and remain down for 5 or 8 seconds. [u]2. The Boss (Kovik) needs a defined way to deal with the Ogre.[/u] The Ogre who is suppose to be an element of chaos in the room. Should also go after Kovik. Being shot enough by Kovik should shoo/herd the Ogre back into persuing the player. [u]3. Ogre should be indiscriminate[/u] Players should be rewarded for taking risks & using the Ogre in creative ways. Leading the Ogre into a group of adds, or managing to lead it to the boss (and not get melted by said boss in the process) should cause the Ogre to attack the adds/Bosse. Thus rewarding the player. This also would add an element of fun to the fight. [b][u]During Enrage:[/u][/b] [u]1. Stunning the Enraged Ogre[/u] During Enrage only a [u]Grenade in the eye socket[/u] should stun the Ogre. It should only work 3 times, then the Ogre should be immune to stunning for 10 or 20 seconds. Once 10 or 20 seconds is up the immunity will wear off. (This is to avoid stun locking it & trivializing the fight.) [u]2. Goading the Ogre to attack Fallen[/u] Melee attacking the Ogre could enrage it further causing/forcing it to "charge" forward (like a bull). Once it hits a pillar or wall it returns to seeking out the nearest target (player, adds, or boss). [u]3. Kovik retains a defined way to send it after players.[/u] The Ogre is still suppose to be an element of chaos in the room. When enraged it REALLY should want to tear apart the individual who ripped out its eye (Kovik). Being shot enough by Kovik once again should shoo/herd/goad the Ogre back into persuing the player Goal of this post: All this is really to make things slightly more managable. Grant enough time for a reload, to get a shot or 2 off on the boss and to allow the Ogre to be [i]"tolerable"[/i]. Install an element of "Fun" to the fight. Edit: I just realized that the stun mechanic would help a lot for Void & Arc Burns too as it would give players about a centimeter more breathing & thinking room. _______________ The true problem phase is the Enrage phase. Where the invincible Ogre can charge players into groups of adds, while Shanks are raining down, while a Boss who never needs to reload is firing away wantonly. The fight is chaotic. That part is just fine. But currently the Ogre is more of an issue than the actual boss is. Which is completely backwards. People complained Oryx's fight had players more worried about mechnics then Oryx. Well same scenario here. Right now during enrage phase the Ogre is nearly undodgeable. (I now can confirm Warlocks have it the worst in terms of dodging the Enrage phase.) If you managed to dodge the smash, by the time you land you're already being pushed into a wall/corner & most likely WILL eat the next smash. (Saw an invisible Hunter get creamed this way.) Please Bungie, look over the fight mechanics. I am not asking for easy mode. I am asking for a balanced challenge & a fair/manageable challenge that rewards players. Major Edit: Basically rewrote the post to better clarify my intentions & suggestions. I [b][u]don't[/u][/b] find the strike to be too hard btw. The Strike itself is creative & very unique, well designed. I find the Boss Encounter to be imbalanced. Specifically the ogre. Rather than challenging it is infuriating. There is a fine line between challenge & bad design/cheap tactics. Lastly, I am asking for help in keeping this bumped so Cosmo can bring this to the team's attention. The overall goal is to make the encounter fun not nerf it to holy hell, and not make it easy mode. Right now the encounter just isn't fun. (Look at the drop out rate % for players for this strike. That is for the Normal & Heroic modes too.) If I must I will resolo the strike and upload a video to prove to people that I am not "whining cause its [u]too hard[/u]."