Just read the main post and the links, and I noticed a similarity (or so I think) not sure if any one else has mentioned but here goes: [quote] Maybe the knight who recovered Joyeuse could count as a holder. If a game (or part of one) was set up around rescuing the AI Joyeuse, then perhaps the player is the nameless knight. Which [i]would[/i] make sense. From the time of Marathon to Halo, the character has been mysterious and without much of a past (disregarding the Halo books that include backstory). The inscription the sword holds may support this theory. "Anyone's sword" could mean that anyone could pick it up and use it, the knight included. The inscription may also imply that the AI may be a freelancer in some sense. A freelance AI may mean rampancy, thus why it was being contained in a grave or treasury. [/quote] The character(s) that I find most resemble the description above are quite contrary to our previous heros. In fact they are both Villains! One we have fought, the other we have not. Those two are Mendicate Bias and The Gravemind. Lets start with Mendicate Bias. 1) He is an AI, a rampant AI. That makes him easily associated with Durandal and Cortana, and thus the swords. 2) How to connect him to Joy? That I haven't quite conquered yet, any help from any one would be nice. 3) We know Mendicate Bias does unite with Cortana during the final mission of Halo 3, but then we have the problem of where to find Durandal. 4) There has been speculation that part of Mendicate Bias is contained within Cortana, how exactly that might fit is unknown to me. 5) Mendicate Bias has been in a 'grave' when with the Gravemind, and has been in a prison courtesy of Offensive Bias. 6) The Gravemind has Obiviously wielded Mendicate Bias. Now for the Gravemind, a much easier connection: 1) It is very easy to consider the Gravemind anyone, as it can assimilate anyone and thus it is anyone. 2) The Gravemind has been a source of MASSIVE change and persuasion in the universe, starting with the Precursors (I think) and the Forerunners. Conquering both. 3) The Gravemind can bee viewed as a nameless warrior (rather than knight) to retrieve Mendicate Bias after it was lost to the Forerunners. I think it fits rather well in and of itself. A large ruling force, finding the weapon it needed, being considered Anyone, etc. On top of that, the Gravemind has been responsible for destroying Chiefs 'family' (his race) and the Chief swore to kill it. which he does, as well as having an allegiance with it in order to kill a common enemy. Durandal is still missing, so perhaps he'll turn up shortly, who's to know? that or the Flood itself is a organic AI created by the Precursors and is in itself Joyeuse. But thats just speculation because Mendicate is no named anything along the lines of Joyeuse.