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Edited by strondbokken: 9/18/2014 9:03:43 PM
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No Matchmaking for Endgame Raids? Buh Bye, Destiny....

Sorry, but this is the deal breaker for me and millions of others I've seen flaming this incredibly poor decision. First off, THIS IS NOT AN MMO. It lacks all the things you need to get a good judge of who you are raiding with as well and has no way to meet people. Second, even if I DID want to meet randoms, how can I? No public chat, no way to communicate at all, no way to do anything except "dance" or "wave". I've heard their lead developer "defend" this decision, as all out-of-touch executives do. "Our raids are so hard, you'll NEED 6 people that are friends blah blah blah". Sorry, but a "hard" raid doesn't always add up to an enjoyable experience. Are these raids harder than the legendary MMO raids that grouped strangers in raids for decades? Doubt it. And please stop making us sound like antisocial losers for wanting to try it with strangers. You guys at Bungie sound like an overbearing dungeon master in D&D and it's really poor form, especially since every Destiny forum is filled with "LFG" posts for VoG. Now, what you've done is put the nail in the coffin for 99% of your user base. I've been in love with this game up until yesterday, when I realized that even with my fancy legendary and exotic weapons, all I could do without 5 other "friends" was the same old lvl 24 strike for the millionth time. Not much fun. The same levels and the same bosses over and over just with higher levels? So much potential wasted by people who have no idea what people really want. 6/10 right now, just like to rest of the world is saying. Hoping for improvement. Great gameplay, but not much else to keep its hooks in you. Everything else looks like it was done by the MMO B Team. PvP needs work too, but that will come in time I'm sure. Gonna miss the game, but what's the point in playing when you are already grinding repetitively in the first week and there's no change on the horizon? ALSO, please explain to me how LFG posts on random forums are a batter way to do this than adding matchmaking? STILL random people. Not friends, just people without 5 active friends (just like me) who want to do the content. Silly if you ask me. UPDATE: So I took the advice of those saying "I have poor social skills in games" (let's ignore the irony in that for a second) and started adding random people that were good in Strikes, people I met, whatever. Added over 50 people in the past few days. And guess what? Maybe 5 of them are online at a time. Even in the clans I 'm in. And out of those 5, maybe ONE will answer when I send a message to raid. Maybe. With no social tools, no public chat, no clan management, and these "incredibly hard raids" that Bungie seems to be SO proud of, they've essentially pissed off many people instead of making this fun for anyone. First off, what is the point of making a raid THAT hard? Does it make your developer epeen stiffen up to see people wipe 1,600 times? Pandemonium was like that in FFXI and it was a laughing stock. Nobody liked it. And second, where is the other content for those of us who don't have 15+ hours to raid per week? There are no other dungeons/raids besides the ones on repeat in strikes. Boring. Even WoW had at least a half dozen random dungeons you could so between levels 40-60 at launch. They also had numerous mobs instead of 4 factions with 4 different mobs in each. I'm now level 27. More than adequately geared for a raid. Strikes are the most mundane thing ever now, since I've done them so many times. I've farmed for legendary engrams, I've gotten rep up with several factions. I've got some exotic weapons (though none of them are that great outside of pvp - shotguns, etc.). I'm literally pretty much out of stuff to do and it's only been a week. Yes, I play a lot, but come on. There should be at least something to do other than grind. Aside from Ascendant Shards, there's not much more I need to increase my gear anyway. And where's my motivation to increase it when I can easily kill everything EXCEPT what's in the raid which I can't find people for? Also, Bungie, if you're going to be this obtuse about our player abilities, then at least add some sort of clan management system in game. Why does the game with the biggest budget ever still have us posting "LFG for VoG": on random forums? Why do we need to leave game to even see what our own clan is doing? And why are we supposed to get hyped about the next xpac when we can't even enjoy this one? I bet maybe 1% of the player pop has even tried VoG. Nobody wants to even give it a shot now because it's so hard. I'm sure I'll continue to get flamed on this post by kids younger than some of the dents in my car, but the fact remains that this game, although an epic achievement, has missed the mark entirely on what it needs to keep people involved for more than a month. Sure, it's a new game, but the old "new games are always lacking, buggy, etc." argument is no longer valid. Only in the gaming industry is this acceptable and it needs to stop. You have $500,000,000 invested in this. Surely you could have taken .0001% of that to hire decent writers and some immersion? Wishful thinking I guess... I really hope a Bungie dev reads this and takes it to heart, but they won't. So, I guess I'll just hold my breath in the hopes that they are aware of how unhappy everyone is and do something about it. I love this game and I see so much potential in it. But for god's sake, PLEASE stop trying to reinvent the wheel at every turn. Some things just work. Leave them be and put more effort into decent writing and immersion. This game will never live up to its potential without it.
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  • At first I was mad at this too but then I realized after I played a raid why they went with their decision. Over 200 deaths on average with each person per raid AND most wont complete it in one sitting. No 5 randoms are going to stick together for 16 hours through frustrating deaths. Meeting people is as easy as coming on the forums or even inspecting and sending someone a friendly message. I guess real world skills to apply sometimes. You should learn some.

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    • Did you even see the starts from the raid? The first group that beat it had over 6000 kills and 1600 deaths. You can call it easy all you want but I'd like you to first go and die 1600 times to really see the point.

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    • [quote]Sorry, but this is the deal breaker for me and millions of others I've seen flaming this incredibly poor decision. First off, THIS IS NOT AN MMO. It lacks all the things you need to get a good judge of who you are raiding with as well and has no way to meet people. Second, even if I DID want to meet randoms, how can I? No public chat, no way to communicate at all, no way to do anything except "dance" or "wave". I've heard their lead developer "defend" this decision, as all out-of-touch executives do. "Our raids are so hard, you'll NEED 6 people that are friends blah blah blah". Sorry, but your raids are not THAT hard. Are they harder than the legendary MMO raids that grouped strangers in raids for decades? Doubt it. And please stop making us sound like antisocial losers for wanting to try it with strangers. You guys at Bungie sound like an overbearing dungeon master in D&D and it's really poor form. Now, what you've done is put the nail in the coffin for 99% of your user base. I've been in love with this game up until yesterday, when I realized that even with my fancy legendary and exotic weapons, all I could do without 5 other "friends" was the same old lvl 24 strike for the millionth time. Not much fun. The same levels and the same bosses over and over just with higher levels? No, I think I'll just chalk this one up as the over-hyped POS that it really is. So much potential wasted by people who have no idea what people really want. 6/10 just like to rest of the world is saying. Great gameplay, but not much else to keep its hooks in you. Everything else looks like it was done by the MMO B Team. PvP needs work too. Gonna miss the game, but what's the point in playing when you are already grinding repetitively in the first week and there's no change on the horizon? ALSO, please explain to me how LFG posts on random forums are a batter way to do this than adding matchmaking? STILL random people. Not friends, just people without 5 active friends (just like me) who want to do the content. Silly if you ask me.[/quote] I can tell you that you're not trying to meet people. I've made a bunch of new friends by inspecting people and sending them a friendly message.

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    • Few less bad players in the community. Woot!!!

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    • Who are these millions of others?

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    • Its the only thing I dislike about Destiny. Im trying to join a clan(I thought I had) but everytime I try to set it as my Xbox clan it says invitation pending. Its done this for two groups Ive joined with one pending for over a month. Very frustrating!

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    • Edited by Doc SoCal: 9/18/2014 6:16:48 PM
      99%.... #lol

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    • Edited by dedaF: 9/18/2014 5:32:46 PM
      "ALSO, please explain to me how LFG posts on random forums are a batter way to do this than adding matchmaking? STILL random people. Not friends, just people without 5 active friends (just like me) who want to do the content. Silly if you ask me." 1. I Can post requirements and see if they meet them or not. 2. State that my group will be using Skype rather than PS4's voip. 3. Tell people whether it is for a core group that runs on this day at this time, or, a 1 time deal just to smash it for quick loot. There has not been a single time in the history of gaming for me that "Dungeon Finder" has not been a letdown. Edit: Probably should have stated I do think it needs matchmaking. I understand how people don't want to organize, or can't organize, a premade group. That is perfectly fine. Was just pointing out the advantages of using something that destinylfg over a random dungeon finder :)

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    • Edited by JayRends: 9/18/2014 2:09:26 PM
      The fact that this raid was beat in less then 12 hours tells me like most of this game it's not that hard. At least in comparison with Everquest or Wow raids where it would take days even weeks for new Raids to be downed. I mean when players are soloing heroic strikes in the first days of the game it doesn't surprise me. Oh and Wow had lockouts but that didn't last long and now they have raid finders. Bungie is going to have to put it in if they hope to ever have a long successful future like wow or crash and burn like the original FF Online. ps any bets on how long before this raid is three manned.

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      • OP Applied for my clan, Yet never messaged me on xbox, had he done, he would of done the raid by now... Fair enough Matchmaking would of helped the raiding (altho I like it with 6man private games), But its your own fault also.

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        • Agreed, it's a ludicrous decision!

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        • You obviously haven't played the raid. Strangers can't just come together and beat it. It takes chemistry and communication with all 6 guys. At the end if even one guy dies it handicaps the whole team and your odds of winning go down so much. So everyone needs to be on their A game and be communicating. You won't get that from 6 randoms looking to try to get se free gear and shards.

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        • I'm gunna end this right now. So there is this thing called the lockout system. Say you play with 5 other people and kill the first boss in a raid. You are then assigned to a specific lockout. That means that you will have to find those exact same people to play the raid with. Find 5 people on the forums and stop complaining.

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          • [quote]Sorry, but this is the deal breaker for me and millions of others I've seen flaming this incredibly poor decision. First off, THIS IS NOT AN MMO. It lacks all the things you need to get a good judge of who you are raiding with as well and has no way to meet people. Second, even if I DID want to meet randoms, how can I? No public chat, no way to communicate at all, no way to do anything except "dance" or "wave". I've heard their lead developer "defend" this decision, as all out-of-touch executives do. "Our raids are so hard, you'll NEED 6 people that are friends blah blah blah". Sorry, but your raids are not THAT hard. Are they harder than the legendary MMO raids that grouped strangers in raids for decades? Doubt it. And please stop making us sound like antisocial losers for wanting to try it with strangers. You guys at Bungie sound like an overbearing dungeon master in D&D and it's really poor form. Now, what you've done is put the nail in the coffin for 99% of your user base. I've been in love with this game up until yesterday, when I realized that even with my fancy legendary and exotic weapons, all I could do without 5 other "friends" was the same old lvl 24 strike for the millionth time. Not much fun. The same levels and the same bosses over and over just with higher levels? No, I think I'll just chalk this one up as the over-hyped POS that it really is. So much potential wasted by people who have no idea what people really want. 6/10 just like to rest of the world is saying. Great gameplay, but not much else to keep its hooks in you. Everything else looks like it was done by the MMO B Team. PvP needs work too. Gonna miss the game, but what's the point in playing when you are already grinding repetitively in the first week and there's no change on the horizon? ALSO, please explain to me how LFG posts on random forums are a batter way to do this than adding matchmaking? STILL random people. Not friends, just people without 5 active friends (just like me) who want to do the content. Silly if you ask me.[/quote]k

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            • You cannot beat this with randoms. Teams must be carefully crafted

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            • Friends? Made a ton by just playing;)

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              • It wouldn't happen with six strangers. If a person had to leave before 6 hours in, it would fail. If the people didn't all have mics, you would fail. If the people you got weren't very good, you would fail. It's not the sort of thing you can carry people for, and it takes time. It's a good way to encourage clans to exist and I think you're completely wrong to think any good would come from matchmaking it.

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                • [quote]Now, what you've done is put the nail in the coffin for 99% of your user base.[/quote] Most pre-orderd IP in history with one of the lowest return percentages, probably should edit this to 1%. This has been known for months, I'm not sure why you are so adamant that no one supports it.

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                • Edited by Vader_000: 9/18/2014 11:47:09 AM
                  And this is turning you away from the game? Thats a bit shallow imo. If you dont have the patience to find 5 other people to take on an extremely hard raid, then good riddance.

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                • It's called interacting, ever heard of sending a message or a cost invite? Not that hard to do. If I find a high level I invite them to chat to do raids and nightfall strikes so stop whining and actually use the tools that are there

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                  • Im sorry for how you feel, but you dont know what it takes to complete the raid anyway. Theres no map to tell you where to go, no hints, you and your team have to figure out bosses, puzzles, and the hardest thing - how to get to next location. also, kill decent leveled monsters. You have no idea how important it is not to have matchmaking.

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                  • From what I've seen and the little I've played of the raid, it is literally impossible to do the Vault of Glass with matchmaking randoms.

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                    • If you had ever participated in a an LFR event you would understand why it was great design choice .Just cry about it a little bit louder and I'm positive they'll fix it to cater to all you ass clowns eventually.

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                    • So how many MMOS have you even played , because this is an MMO hate to break it to you.

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                    • It's sad that someone had to create a link so we can find other players to team up with. 99% of games you can talk to people and make friends. I seriously can't take the quietness of this game. Who would ever make a multiplayer based game with no public chat?! It's laughable how idiotic these people are.

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                    • yup... I feel like playing now, but wait, let me see if I can find 5 of my actual friends to log on for 10 hours to knock out a raid all at the same time? dumb, dumb, idea.

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