80 CEOs wrote a letter lecturing America about deficit reduction to the [url=http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970203937004578076253372633058#project%3DCEOLIST20121025%26articleTabs%3Darticle]Wall Street Journal[/url], and they talk about how cutting social programs like Medicare and Medicaid is necessary to do this.
I find this hilarious, offensive, and down right underhanded.
Why you ask? Many of these CEOs have wrecked the economy by evading taxes and outsourcing jobs.
These are some of the same CEOs who head corporations that:
•Received a total taxpayer bailout of more than $2.5 trillion from the Federal Reserve and
the Treasury Department and nearly caused the economy to collapse just four years ago;
•Outsourced hundreds of thousands of American jobs to China and other low wage countries, forcing their workers to receive unemployment insurance and other federal
benefits;
•Avoided at least $34.5 billion in taxes by setting up more than 600 subsidiaries in the Cayman Islands, Bermuda, and other offshore tax havens since 2008; and
•A dozen of these companies paid no corporate income taxes in at least one year since 2008, while receiving more than $6.4 billion in tax refunds from the IRS, after making billions in profits.
In other words, these are some of the same people who have significantly caused the deficit to explode over the last four years.
The last thing we need to do is listen to these deficit increasing CEOs.
Here are just a few examples of how the corporations these CEOs work for have significantly
harmed our economy and the federal budget:
1. Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan
[spoiler]-Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? Zero.
-$1.9 billion tax refund.
Bank of America received a $1.9 billion tax refund from the IRS in 2010, even though it made $4.4 billion in profits.
-Taxpayer Bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department? Over
-$1.3 trillion.
During the financial crisis, Bank of America received a total of more than $1.3 trillion in virtually zero interest loans from the Federal Reserve and a $45 billion bailout from the Treasury Department.
-Number of Offshore Tax Havens in 2010? 371.
In 2010, Bank of America operated 371 subsidiaries incorporated in offshore tax havens, more than any other financial institution in the United States. 204 of these subsidiaries are incorporated in the Cayman Islands, which has a corporate tax rate of 0%.
-Amount of federal income taxes Bank of America would have owed in 2010 if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $2.6 billion.[/spoiler]
2. Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein
[spoiler]-Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2008? Zero.
-$278 million tax refund.
In 2008, Goldman Sachs received a $278 million refund from the IRS, even though it
earned a profit of $2.3 billion that year.
-Taxpayer Bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department? $824
billion. During the financial crisis, Goldman Sachs received a total of $814 billion in virtually zero interest loans from the Federal Reserve and a $10 billion bailout from the Treasury Department.
-Number of offshore tax havens in 2010? 39.
-Amount of federal income taxes Goldman Sachs would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $2.7billion. [/spoiler]
3. JP Morgan Chase CEO James Dimon
[spoiler]-Taxpayer Bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department? $416 billion. During the financial crisis, JP Morgan Chase received a total of more than $391 billion in virtually zero interest loans from the Federal Reserve and a $25 billion bailout from the Treasury Department, while Jamie [b]Dimon[/b] served as a director of the New York Federal Reserve.
-Number of Offshore Tax Havens in 2010? 83.
-Amount of federal income taxes JP Morgan Chase would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $4.9 billion. In 2011, JP Morgan Chase stashed $21.8 billion in offshore tax haven countries to avoid paying income taxes. If this practice was outlawed, it would have paid $4.9 billion in federal income taxes.[/spoiler]
4. General Electric CEO Jeffrey Immelt [spoiler]-Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? Zero. $3.3 billion tax refund.
In 2010, not only did General Electric pay no federal income taxes, it received a $3.3
billion tax refund from the IRS, even though it earned over $5 billion in U.S. profits.
-Number of offshore tax havens? At least 14.
GE has at least 14 tax haven subsidiaries in Bermuda, Singapore, and Luxembourg for the purpose of avoiding U.S. income taxes.
-Taxpayer Bailout from the Federal Reserve? $16 billion.
During the financial crisis, the Federal Reserve provided GE with $16 billion in financial assistance, at a time when Jeffrey Immelt was a director of the New York Federal Reserve.
-Jobs Shipped Overseas? At least 25,000 since 2001.
Since 2001, General Electric has closed more than 30 manufacturing plants in the United States, cut 34,000 American jobs, and added 25,000 jobs overseas. General Electric now has more workers abroad than it does in the United States. On December 6, 2002, Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of General Electric, said at an investor's meeting: ``When I am talking to GE managers, I talk China, China, China, China, China. You need to be there. You need to change the way people talk about it and how they get there. I am a nut on China. Outsourcing from China is going to grow to $5 billion. We are building a tech center in China. Every discussion today has to center on China. The cost basis is extremely attractive. You can take an 18 cubic foot refrigerator,
make it in China, land it in the United States, and land it for less than we can make an 18 cubic foot refrigerator today, ourselves.'' Jeffrey Immelt, Chairman, CEO of General Electric, quoted at an investor meeting on December 6, 2002[/spoiler]
5. Verizon CEO Lowell McAdam
[spoiler]-Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? Zero. $705 million tax refund.
-In 2010, Verizon received a $705 million refund from the IRS despite earning $11.9
billion in pre-tax U.S. profits.
-American Jobs Cut in 2010? In 2010, Verizon announced 13,000 job cuts, the third highest corporate layoff total that year.[/spoiler]
In the interest of not having a massive wall of text, I'll stop at 5.
[spoiler]source: http://www.ctj.org/[/spoiler]
TL;DR we need to look what is actually responsible for the debt, and stop trying to shove the burden on the poor, working, and middle class Americans.
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1 Replyin the case of Wall Street and some banks there was legitimate fraud it should be met with prison time but taxing and vilifying big business in general for receiving aid and outsourcing is a bit much. business large and small stimulate the economy not the government or its programs, hindering them will only hinder the economy. government spending is out of control and cuts need to be made to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security among others, the tax code needs to be reformed to reduce the debt as well.
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Edited by BlaqSpiral: 8/6/2015 6:56:14 PMPerhaps... But its undeniable that more money is being spent than being made, in parts of the government and in many households. We can not simply fix our dept by increasing taxes, because that only turns into more spending and even more increases in taxes down the road... Of course, that is the liberal way. We need overhauls, but they must be sensible and be based around efficiency, you can not ask households to make cuts to their budgets, when this administration refuses to make cuts to theirs... Some social programs must go or need to be revisited.
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5 RepliesHas anyone else mentioned that it's those same businesses who "evade" taxes that employ millions of Americans and pump billions of dollars into the economy? I'm not saying the tax code is good, or those companies shouldn't be paying much in taxes, but to vilify them because of the money they make and want to keep is not the best option. They're the ones who grow the economy, not the government, and despite them outsourcing some jobs, they have helped bring America to the place that it is. The tax code needs to be simplified to eliminate loopholes and make it more universal and government spending needs to be cut back. Both those things will contribute to eliminating America's debt. Also, the tax burden doesn't seem to be on the middle and low income classes if the top 1% of income earners in America pay half the taxes. That seems fairly disproportionate to me. Changes are needed, but we don't need to vilify tax and business generating people.
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1 ReplySo they want us to do everything in our power to make them more money without them taking any real action? You're right about them being a major part of the problem. It's like a mosquito saying that it will hurt you less if you give it more blood. A real fix here in my opinion would be to increase the wealth and opportunities of the middle class. A wealthier middle class spends more money, which makes more money for big companies, and also creates more jobs for the lower class - which increases their wealth also. It's simple. People with money spend money. And when people spend money, others make money to spend. A stagnant middle class is why malls and other businesses are dying. A poor person isn't going to spend 40 to 100 dollars on a pair of jeans. They're going to go to Walmart.
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6 RepliesYou realize the debt is a simple math problem right? Govt spending - taxes = debt But you only see who you can tax more.
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5 RepliesHow do they evade taxes like that?
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1 ReplyEdited by Lethenza: 8/6/2015 10:20:30 PM[b] [/b]
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3 RepliesCEO pay is up 900%, avg American up 10% in the last 40 years. Do the math. These people belong behind bars.
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Sounds like their just using scapegoats to appear even more saintly in the eyes of their supporters.
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2 RepliesBritton for President 2016
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8 RepliesEdited by Sauceman James: 10/10/2015 5:08:52 AMHow about instead of increasing taxes we reduce wasteful government spending? It's not that hard we don't have to cut spending in important areas how about we get rid of anyone that wants to spend more money on useless crap and programs we don't want or need and figure out how to reduce costs? Also how about our president doesn't go out and waste tax payer dollars on golf outings every week? Why don't we reduce the pay congressmen and women?
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9 RepliesLet's ban lobbying.
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It's part of the bush era mindset Jeb bush "#stuffhappens" Did both your parents die when you were young and/or kicked out when you were 18? #stuff happens Oh you lost your job during the recession? #stuffhappens Oh you lost both your arms in a construction accident? #stuffhappens Progressives support safety nets for people to help during financial crisis and the elderly/sick. They actually try to find solutions to problems Meanwhile people like Jeb doesn't like changes. Now [u]that[/u] is a fundamental difference of red and blues [spoiler]I find it funny that those that h8 Medicare and Medicaid would still ask that we "support our troops more" and financially fund post tour troops. [/spoiler]
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That's the equivalent of the alpha gorilla eating all of the bananas, and telling the rest of the gorillas in the group to quit eating all of the bananas if they want to have more of them :v
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4 RepliesEdited by Tuxx: 10/7/2015 10:45:02 PMIt baffles me that people still support the people that want to keep these sorts of practices going. I have debates all the time with a close friend of mine, quite the conservative, and he fails time after time to see the points I'm trying to make while providing nothing from his pov that actually changes anything. It's like he's defending the people who are -blam!-ing him over. The facts don't matter, all that matters is what he's been brought up to believe and which party he's been taught to support regardless of the issues.
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2 RepliesWhat I don't understand is if these people are evading taxes, how have they not been arrested yet?
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2 RepliesI want CEOs to act upon the deficit. Namely out of their own bank accounts.
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14 Replies[quote]Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein[/quote] Delete thread.
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1 ReplyI just want the Federal Reserve to be done with. It's done nothing but drive the value of the American dollar straight into the ground, not to mention the war profiteering and keeping the US government in a constant cycle of debt.
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These men are the ones who benefit from Warren Buffett rewriting the tax code. Most of them pay less than 10% in taxes. Buffett himself pays 6% of his income. Whereas some middle class families are paying as much as 26%
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5 RepliesMaybe they wouldn't outsource jobs if the federal government didn't tax the hell out of them and have to many regulations that aren't necessary. Also how would they be responsible? Even if they did evade which they don't they wouldn't be responsible for 1/18282828828282&2828272836372827272827 of the debt
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13 RepliesYou don't even know the problems. Too many Government programs are what caused majority of the debt. Can't wait for Bernie to get elected so he can ruin the country. Liberal economics don't work, and it's laughable you think it does
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Hah, they just scared because they don't want their already incredibly low tax rates to be threatened. Make others pay for their success. Our effective corporate tax rate is around 11%. Way too low. Alright, now que all the idiot conservatives that don't know what an effective tax rate is.