[b]READ THE WHOLE POST AND READ IT CORRECTLY. I AM [u]NOT[/u] PROPOSING A TURRET OR MULTIPLAYER WEAPON IT WILL BE ODST CAMPAIGN ONLY[/b] (nothing like guns can be added to multiplayer, anyway)
One thing I have observed in the Halo series is the lack of an SAW, a LMG, a light machine gun. I'll be concise, a light machine gun is generally the type of gun that carries many bullets per magazine, around 100 depending on the gun and magazine type. Iconic ones to google are of course the M60, M249(always nicknamed the SAW). In general its a SUPPRESSIVE FIRE weapon to pin enemies while flanking(thanks pieman191)
ODST we know will have a more tactical feel, it's still Halo, but how fast you die and the way your player moves is different, you'll need different weapons suited for different jobs. A light machine gun would do just that. Spraying defensive fire from a stationary position would be a great way to stave off approaching Brutes, as I doubt our rookie will have the speed and power to directly brawl with them.
They're just fun weapons to use in general, which is why I'd like to see a gun like this included. It also seems to be a job that no Halo weapon has ever really filled, as there was no need until now with ODST.
What weapon? Maybe not a new gun entirely, I was thinking the M247 from Halo 2. If you don't recall, that was the mounted turret in Halo 2. The one Johnson hauled around and the ones with big ammo barrels in multiplayer. I do not want to bring it back like that, but allow it to function more of a weapon that can be brought on the go and lay cover fire for a squad(Sqad Automatic Weapon). [url=http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/Red_Raptor_album/M247GPMG.jpg]Seems here it was intended as a SAW in Halo 2, as indicated by this Halo 2 era figure.[/url] Likely pulled at the last second when Joyride figured out it isn't making it into the game. So it would help resurrect one of the ideas some of the Bungie guys didn't have an opportunity to utilize.
The only thing I would add is a mount so it can be mounted to say, the ground while crouching or on a low wall to improve accuracy.
Specs it should have:
100 rounds per magazine
600 rounds total(5 magazines plus 1 loaded).
[b]important:[/b]
* Light Machine Guns(not SMG, two different things) take a long time to reload to balance it out.
*Think of the Assault Rifle with a larger magazine and lower range.
* This will not appear in multiplayer, this is intended for the ODST campaign. And is really the only place where it can go as weapons will NEVER be added to multiplayer.
What do you all think?
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pieman191
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Switchfoot4
Ok, let me get this straight, you want a gun in ODST with 100 rounds in one clip, without restrictions?
This would be the worst mistake Bungie could make especially in a campaign expansion. Listen the SMG is fine. There no need for any other weapon carriable that holds more then 60 rounds. Plus it has a really high fire rate.[/quote]
Did you ever think of maybe balancing it, if it is in the game?[/quote]Yeah. I'm not proposing an instant death weapon either. Really, it seems all the people who disagree(except the one whom mentioned the MA5) don't seem to know what an LMG is. Which are very common in shooters.
We already have a unmountable turret in multiplayer that kills in 8 shots and fires 200 rounds nonstop, and I'm basically proposing a watered down version of this for the ODST Campaign.
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sgt Keller
good but it still can be overpowered by then burst firing... (witch resets the accuracy cone) then we are back to a regular gun with 100 rounds.[/quote]I can't see how it's overpowered when you need it. You're going up against shielded, 9 foot gorillas with grenade launchers and giant nail guns.
I'm not proposing anything radical guys. Really. I'll leave for a while and see how this thread goes.
Oh, and post an intelligent response. Waaaay too many idiots trying to bomb my thread.
[Edited on 12.11.2008 4:49 PM PST]
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Wow...I am baffled at the amount of negative posts. "go back to COD 4!* Yeah well, ODST won't have shields, and already has tactical weapons(SMG with silencer, reflex scope and flashlight). I understand the balance triangle(though I also include range). But keep in mind you aren't a Spartan anymore. If anyone wants an idea of what I mean, think of the Halo 1 Assault Rifle with a larger magazine and a shorter range. Should've brought a flame suit for this... [Edited on 12.11.2008 3:30 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sgt Keller Remember your balance triangle ---------- Accuracy --------/----------------\ -------/------------------\ ------/--------------------\ -----/----------------------\ Damage_____Rate of fire[/quote] I do not follow this.
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i think thats call a SMG and they got it already.In fact you can hold 2 at the same time.. o my
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yes but the fact that the LMG is reloadable makes it an overpowered weapon, So to counter this you have to A) make it as accurate as a 4 year old throwing a football in the NFL B) make it as deadly as a lint ball that you pull out of the dryer C) Reduce the ammo to say maybe 50 rounds... D) Make it take longer to reload Say, i don't know, 8 seconds in open combat... lets see how that goes with the fans Remember your balance triangle ---------- Accuracy --------/----------------\ -------/------------------\ ------/--------------------\ -----/----------------------\ Damage_____Rate of fire In a good game no one side can overpower another, so... if Rate of fire is high then accuracy and damage have to be lowered... if accuracy is Really high and damage is high then rate of fire is horrendous... AKA sniper rifles... [Edited on 12.11.2008 3:36 PM PST]
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Go play COD4 I am......was......will when my 360 gets fixed.
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Hey good call and while we are at it lets change the name of the game to Call of Duty and instead of super soldiers just regular ones. And instead of in the future it can be like in the present! Great Idea! =DDDD
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] thetruthforeal What a waste of time this post is. Amazing.[/quote]Why? BEcause I'm proposing a new thought out idea that could work? Yeah, I said it was a mounted turret....in Halo 2. Everyone knows that. Did I word it wrong?
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What a waste of time this post is. Amazing. [Edited on 12.11.2008 3:15 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] captaineegee Firstly, only spartans can haul around heavy equipment such as turrets and other mounted weaponry. Secondly, the last thing halo in a whole needs is another spray weapon that caters to the lowest common denominator. God forbid you actually have to work for a kill. Let's see them cater to the seasoned players that want a challenge and not everything handed to them.[/quote] I don't get what the big deal is. This gun wouldn't be put into matchmaking, it would be put into campaign. Read the first post again. EDIT: BTW I'm having a hard time picturing a LMG for Halo. All I can think of is Call of Duty Weapons, good idea though. [Edited on 12.11.2008 3:23 PM PST]
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"What weapon? Maybe not a new gun entirely, I was thinking the M247 from Halo 2. If you don't recall, that was the mounted turret in Halo 2. The one Johnson hauled around and the ones with big ammo barrels in multiplayer." If you read the quote provided by me from the OP you will notice that it says the "mounted turret." I know about LMG's you could use them in Rainbow Six and GRAW not to mention Metal Gear Solid 4. I don't like the function of them in any game and am simply stating that. I prefer to use a weapon with a little more accuracy and precision over standing stationary shooting an enemy in cover. I understand that the game is a stand alone component from multi-player and that it has no bearing in that context. I could honestly care less about my K/D ratio though it's interesting how you bring it up with no provocation. Yes I have played tactical shooters, I prefer GRAW over Rainbow Six due to control issues. [Edited on 12.11.2008 3:09 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pieman191 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Switchfoot4 Ok, let me get this straight, you want a gun in ODST with 100 rounds in one clip, without restrictions? This would be the worst mistake Bungie could make especially in a campaign expansion. Listen the SMG is fine. There no need for any other weapon carriable that holds more then 60 rounds. Plus it has a really high fire rate.[/quote] Did you ever think of maybe balancing it, if it is in the game?[/quote]Yeah. I'm not proposing an instant death weapon either. Really, it seems all the peopel who disagree(except the one whom entioned the MA5) don't seem to know what an LMG is. Which are very common in shooters. We already have a unmountable turret in multiplayer that kills in 8 shots and fires 200 rounds nonstop, and I'm basically proposing a watered down version of this for the ODST Campaign.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Switchfoot4 Ok, let me get this straight, you want a gun in ODST with 100 rounds in one clip, without restrictions? This would be the worst mistake Bungie could make especially in a campaign expansion. Listen the SMG is fine. There no need for any other weapon carriable that holds more then 60 rounds. Plus it has a really high fire rate.[/quote] Did you ever think of maybe balancing it, if it is in the game?
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Ok, let me get this straight, you want a gun in ODST with 100 rounds in one clip, without restrictions? This would be the worst mistake Bungie could make especially in a campaign expansion. Listen the SMG is fine. There no need for any other weapon carriable that holds more then 60 rounds. Plus it has a really high fire rate.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] zash208 Its not a turret, read closer its a LMG such as in COD... Good idea by the way.[/quote] This guy is true. LMG's or Light Machine Guns or commonly used as a "supressive fire" weapon. So you could pin down a group of enemies while your allies flank them. OP if you can, put this in you OP. [Edited on 12.11.2008 2:54 PM PST]
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In the future, there would be no need for a LMG. An MA5 is more powerful than today's assault rifles. LMGs would be obsolete. [Edited on 12.11.2008 2:53 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] captaineegee Firstly, only spartans can haul around heavy equipment such as turrets and other mounted weaponry. Secondly, the last thing halo in a whole needs is another spray weapon that caters to the lowest common denominator. God forbid you actually have to work for a kill. Let's see them cater to the seasoned players that want a challenge and not everything handed to them.[/quote]My god, do you people have any reading skills? It seems no one knows what a light machine gun is, which are used by the US military by soldiers, not mounted on tripods or hummers, those are heavy machine guns. It is NOT a turret. Secondly, why the Hell do you care if it's "spray and pay"? This will be for ODST's campaign. Bungie has stated multiplayer will not be any different. So you won't have to worry about your precious K/D ratio going down, mr I pwn with BR. Your an ODST as well, you die faster, in a game that requires more reaction time and being overall careful, whether or not the weapon is automatic or not doesn't matter. Why should it? I can also tell you've never played COD 4, or any Rainbow Six games. ODST is not really a squad shooter, but still has more of a tactical feel. All of those games have LMGs. No one complains wether they're auto or not.
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Its not a turret, read closer its a LMG such as in COD... Good idea by the way.
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This is not more "tactical" than Halo. Bungie never stated this.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PUNISH3R XD 187 it dont even matter to me kid. ill play the game. and besides the only gun ill use is the BR so a new gun would really affect me much.[/quote]well said
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Firstly, only spartans can haul around heavy equipment such as turrets and other mounted weaponry. Secondly, the last thing halo in a whole needs is another spray weapon that caters to the lowest common denominator. God forbid you actually have to work for a kill. Let's see them cater to the seasoned players that want a challenge and not everything handed to them.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Nuklearrabbit I rather a needler turret instead.[/quote] i agree completely
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What I'm suggesting is NOT a turret. Read it again.
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Good theroy, but id rather the needler turret too.
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it dont even matter to me kid. ill play the game. and besides the only gun ill use is the BR so a new gun would really affect me much.
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I rather a needler turret instead.
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