Why does no one ever argue for it to be Rtas aka Half Jaw? He's been shown to be left handed and to my knowledge, there's not a reason for him to have not been on the ground on Reach trying to take out the spartans.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Exspartan 138 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RAHUZERO While you make a good point its not the arbiter. the Thel was chasing master chief at the time. THat was probly half-jaw[/quote]Was he? Because if you want to use that logic, the Pillar of Autumn should have been in orbit.[/quote]THe pillar of autumn was long gone by then.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Milo2107 I'm feeling a Legendary ending here... Think about it, Noble 6 has beat away most Sword wielding Elites, You don't actually see him get killed by that Zealot. The Arbiter could easily be the secret ending everyone has been dying to see. And I bet you all too. Save this thread and get back to it once the ending is revealed :)[/quote] Yes, this. Seems like a perfect set-up. Now we just need to unlock...

OP, I see what you're trying to say, but the fact is the moment the Pillar of Autumn took off, Thel (The to be Arbiter in Halo 2) was chasing it closely, the events of Lone Wolf took place far after that. However, I know nothing of Rtas whereabouts and as far as I know, I think that might just be him rather than the Arbiter. It's a good catch but some part of me also says they just did that to allow the Assassinating Elite to be seen, as well as add in that final moment ending. It was placement for the shot if nothing else probably, probably completely unintentional to be taken this way. But I still like the idea of it being a familiar important character.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Exspartan 138 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BmB23 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Exspartan 138 People have used the counter point that it can't be either the ship master or the future Arbiter due to him being in space at this time. According to book canon. Now according to book canon, the PoA should never have been in dry dock, so we counter their counterpoint with that counterpoint, that the PoA isn't in the right place, why should Thel?[/quote] Not according to book canon, according to common sense. These elites have more important things to do than playing around on the ground. They're officers and need to command their ships. On the bridge.[/quote]Instead of trying to capture a high priority object that contains relevant data to the forerunners, the entire reason they have ventured so far into space?[/quote] Being commanders of space ships they have no business on the ground whatsoever actually. They will however send others to do that for them. It may very well be some sort of high ranking ground commander.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Exspartan 138 [b][i]ON A SIDE NOTE![/i][/b] OP meant Thel 'Vadamee when he wrote Arbiter. Not everyone knows him by that name though.[/quote] It doesn't even matter if it's Thel or not. The principle theory the OP put forth that one can determine if it's [i]a[/i] Arbiter based on what hand he uses falls flat when there is absolutely nothing that says that an Arbiter is left handed. The fact stands that there is A) No example of an Arbiter being [i]primarily[/i] left-handed out of the Arbiters currently known B) No single piece of written material talking about Arbiters being required to be left handed. For more substantial evidence: [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqnZuwk3q0]Thel[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps1r4dNsmr4]Ripa[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgUUaKZlYyI]Fal[/url] Note that Ripa and Fal can duel wield swords, yet when given the chance to begin a battle on their terms they choose to wield a sword in their right hand rather than their left. [Edited on 10.27.2010 11:24 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BmB23 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Exspartan 138 People have used the counter point that it can't be either the ship master or the future Arbiter due to him being in space at this time. According to book canon. Now according to book canon, the PoA should never have been in dry dock, so we counter their counterpoint with that counterpoint, that the PoA isn't in the right place, why should Thel?[/quote] Not according to book canon, according to common sense. These elites have more important things to do than playing around on the ground. They're officers and need to command their ships. On the bridge.[/quote]Instead of trying to capture a high priority object that contains relevant data to the forerunners, the entire reason they have ventured so far into space?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Exspartan 138 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cpt Avalanche Okay see how some people are saying the PoA wasnt in space at the time of this cutscene, whatever your smoking, I'd like some please.[/quote]No we are saying the PoA should never have been in Drydock if going by book canon, which you have to be to claim that arby wasn't on Reach, at least if you are using that argumentative point. You see, OP made an argument based on the knowledge that in Halo canon, there are only 4 known elites to use their left hand, claiming that this elite in the cutscene must therefore be one of said elites, because it would be pointless to randomly throw in some left handed elite (unless for a purely aesthetic reason, which is completely believable and there is no way to counter that argument). People have used the counter point that it can't be either the ship master or the future Arbiter due to him being in space at this time. According to book canon. Now according to book canon, the PoA should never have been in dry dock, so we counter their counterpoint with that counterpoint, that the PoA isn't in the right place, why should Thel?[/quote] [b][i]SO IN CONCLUSION[/i][/b] No one AT THE MOMENT can be right or wrong on this topic, because every shred of evidence we have is no longer valid. It is all based on damaged canon that for now, doesn't provide an answer one way or another. It is all opinions and ideas right now. No one is wrong or right. No correct or incorrect.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Exspartan 138 People have used the counter point that it can't be either the ship master or the future Arbiter due to him being in space at this time. According to book canon. Now according to book canon, the PoA should never have been in dry dock, so we counter their counterpoint with that counterpoint, that the PoA isn't in the right place, why should Thel?[/quote] Not according to book canon, according to common sense. These elites have more important things to do than playing around on the ground. They're officers and need to command their ships. On the bridge.

Th arbiter is one of the ships that follows the pillar of autumn.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cpt Avalanche Okay see how some people are saying the PoA wasnt in space at the time of this cutscene, whatever your smoking, I'd like some please.[/quote]No we are saying the PoA should never have been in Drydock if going by book canon, which you have to be to claim that arby wasn't on Reach, at least if you are using that argumentative point. You see, OP made an argument based on the knowledge that in Halo canon, there are only 4 known elites to use their left hand, claiming that this elite in the cutscene must therefore be one of said elites, because it would be pointless to randomly throw in some left handed elite (unless for a purely aesthetic reason, which is completely believable and there is no way to counter that argument). People have used the counter point that it can't be either the ship master or the future Arbiter due to him being in space at this time. According to book canon. Now according to book canon, the PoA should never have been in dry dock, so we counter their counterpoint with that counterpoint, that the PoA isn't in the right place, why should Thel? [Edited on 10.27.2010 11:10 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bkb Juggernaut The Arbiter wasn't always against the Covenant religion this was either post or prior to Halo Reach. But if it is maybe he kills the other elite and n6 and arbiter help each other leave reach?[/quote] Huh? All i can think is [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0]this[/url]

Okay see how some people are saying the PoA wasnt in space at the time of this cutscene, whatever your smoking, I'd like some please.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flippedoutcookie In the updated version of the book it states how the arbiter killed a spartan that was trying to save or "deliver" somthing..[/quote] Jun was tasking Hasley to some place... so yeh thats "delivering"

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Exspartan 138 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 355 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Exspartan 138 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 355 Well... you play as the arbiter in Halo 2... and you use the sword in your right hand. Then you play along side him in Halo 3, and he uses it in his right hand... Your theory doesn't add up, sorry bud.[/quote]It tis in the books. The reason they don't in the game is because they would have had to completely write up a whole -blam!-load of stuff just to make him hold the sword in the other hand. Do you not recall, "dual-wielding" was introduced in Halo 2 and carried on in Halo 3, and that the complication making the HUNDREDS of animations Elites have reversed is enormous? /point[/quote] Well then my point stands, right? Never read the books. Though this is a game, and as such will be treated as game cannon. The Arbiter in the games uses the sword with his right hand. Besides, I thought Reach was way off from the books anyhow, so far as I hear anyway...[/quote]AND THAT is where the argument can be neither wrong nor right! See it is truly a pointless argument because there can be no winner. People are merely saying hey I think this, and some others say, but I think this, then -blam!-storm. You see, Bungie has said that the books are canon, though game beats book canon, but then again, a game has limitations(like the left handed thing) where as books are not. So you can begin to see where there are issues before the creation of this game. With the release of Reach, a lot if book canon doesn't make sense suddenly. People claim it can't be Arby because he is in space. Then again, going with book canon, they contradict themselves because so should the Pillar of Autumn. You end up with this argument. "I think it is the Arbiter because it is left handed!" "Wrong! It can' be arby because he is in space!" "Well, if he is supposed to be in space, why isn't chief?" In the end, no winner is decided. PERSONALLY, I'm rolling with the idea that First Strike is going to add why MC is on earth, and hopefully include many of the hints we have been recieving. Is it Arby? Who knows. I like the idea of it, that he was there to witness it, to remind us, "Hey, don't forget what he has done, why Hood can't forgive him." I love the idea of that kind of stuff, of stories mixing and blending, hinting at each other, so I choose based upon personal choice and a few scraps of controversial evidence, that it is someone of importance to the Halo Universe. TL:DR-Your loss. [/quote] I see your point. I don't think it's the arbiter because I've only known him to be right handed. Not to mention that I find a lack of evidence in the video to support it's him. I'm entitled to my opinion, and I just don't think it adds up whether the books are "correct" or not. On a side note; I just go by game cannon, as there are clearly two different version of the Halo story now... [Edited on 10.27.2010 11:02 PM PDT]

I believe it because if it did say that Arbiter killed a Spartan that was trying to deliver something. well think about 6 delivering the "package" to The Pillar. so it kinda makes sense because i doubt the covenant would have know right away that it was off the planet. But they did know 6 had it.

[b][i]ON A SIDE NOTE![/i][/b] OP meant Thel 'Vadamee when he wrote Arbiter. Not everyone knows him by that name though.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 355 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Exspartan 138 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 355 Well... you play as the arbiter in Halo 2... and you use the sword in your right hand. Then you play along side him in Halo 3, and he uses it in his right hand... Your theory doesn't add up, sorry bud.[/quote]It tis in the books. The reason they don't in the game is because they would have had to completely write up a whole -blam!-load of stuff just to make him hold the sword in the other hand. Do you not recall, "dual-wielding" was introduced in Halo 2 and carried on in Halo 3, and that the complication making the HUNDREDS of animations Elites have reversed is enormous? /point[/quote] Well then my point stands, right? Never read the books. Though this is a game, and as such will be treated as game cannon. The Arbiter in the games uses the sword with his right hand. Besides, I thought Reach was way off from the books anyhow, so far as I hear anyway...[/quote]AND THAT is where the argument can be neither wrong nor right! See it is truly a pointless argument because there can be no winner. People are merely saying hey I think this, and some others say, but I think this, then -blam!-storm. You see, Bungie has said that the books are canon, though game beats book canon, but then again, a game has limitations(like the left handed thing) where as books are not. So you can begin to see where there are issues before the creation of this game. With the release of Reach, a lot if book canon doesn't make sense suddenly. People claim it can't be Arby because he is in space. Then again, going with book canon, they contradict themselves because so should the Pillar of Autumn. You end up with this argument. "I think it is the Arbiter because it is left handed!" "Wrong! It can' be arby because he is in space!" "Well, if he is supposed to be in space, why isn't chief?" In the end, no winner is decided. PERSONALLY, I'm rolling with the idea that First Strike is going to add why MC is on earth, and hopefully include many of the hints we have been recieving. Is it Arby? Who knows. I like the idea of it, that he was there to witness it, to remind us, "Hey, don't forget what he has done, why Hood can't forgive him." I love the idea of that kind of stuff, of stories mixing and blending, hinting at each other, so I choose based upon personal choice and a few scraps of controversial evidence, that it is someone of importance to the Halo Universe. TL:DR-Your loss.

If it was the arbiter It wouldnt be the arbiter that you see in the halo 2 and 3, rather a predecessor

and he dramatically steps in too, it plausible

There was no active arbiter at the fall of reach iirc. It probably was Thel 'Vadamee. Who would later become the Arbiter.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Exspartan 138 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 355 Well... you play as the arbiter in Halo 2... and you use the sword in your right hand. Then you play along side him in Halo 3, and he uses it in his right hand... Your theory doesn't add up, sorry bud.[/quote]It tis in the books. The reason they don't in the game is because they would have had to completely write up a whole -blam!-load of stuff just to make him hold the sword in the other hand. Do you not recall, "dual-wielding" was introduced in Halo 2 and carried on in Halo 3, and that the complication making the HUNDREDS of animations Elites have reversed is enormous? /point[/quote] Well then my point stands, right? Never read the books. Though this is a game, and as such will be treated as game cannon. The Arbiter in the games uses the sword with his right hand. Besides, I thought Reach was way off from the books anyhow, so far as I hear anyway...

an energy dagger doesn't have the swooshing sound the sword has when you activate it and what kind of dagger is as long as an energy sword?!?!

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 355 Well... you play as the arbiter in Halo 2... and you use the sword in your right hand. Then you play along side him in Halo 3, and he uses it in his right hand... Your theory doesn't add up, sorry bud.[/quote]It tis in the books. The reason they don't in the game is because they would have had to completely write up a whole -blam!-load of stuff just to make him hold the sword in the other hand. Do you not recall, "dual-wielding" was introduced in Halo 2 and carried on in Halo 3, and that the complication in making the HUNDREDS of animations Elites have reversed is enormous? /point [Edited on 10.27.2010 10:43 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WindBlade H8R [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cpt Avalanche To try and put an end to this regurgetated thread, it isnt the arbiter or AN arbiter. They were assigned to top priority, near suicidal missions. If you also use google images, the arbiter does not use his left hand for his sword, I honestly have no idea where you pulled that from but it isnt a fact that arbiters only use the sword in their left hand, you made that up. It looks like an Ultras foot anyways, just shadowed.[/quote] What, going planetside to kill a single human SPARTAN who is responsible for the deaths of thousands of your Covenant brothers isn't near-suicidal? Also seems pretty top-priority to me.[/quote] Seems like a few Zealots did that job just fine.

That was for cinematic effect, methinks.