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Content Vault... Looking back is absolutely scummy.

What is the general consensus with the content Vault Now? At the time it seems the majority of the player base was not happy about it but understood it to a certain extent, I was one one. But now, it's clear that nearly everyone (what's left anyways) feels it was unjustified to remove so much content. Especially main campaigns and most destinations. Shouldn't it be considered at least to be somewhat... illegal? I mean we paid good money for that content, especially for the stories. Which was then removed, we paid for something. Then they took it back... I would like to go back and replay the old campaigns but of course I can't. For example, you buy a story game, let's say Soma. You play the story once, then Frictional games take the game back and you can't play it ever again and they keep your money even though you paid for the game to KEEP said game. My point is to this- Where is all the blowback? Yes there are some but not a lot, do people just not care that there were so -blam!- robbed? Hundreds, [b] HUNDREDS [/b] of dollars stolen per person. And they got away with it, somehow. What's the point of buying Final Shape if they can just remove it with no consequence.

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    "Atleast the stars will remember..." - 4/13/2025 1:57:27 AM

    It's been 4 years. Its a done deal. Time to move on.

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    • No -blam!-.

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    • Scummy is Bungo's wheelhouse. Scumgie. Scumgo. Scumbags.

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    • Everything this company does is scummy

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    • Scummy is an understatement! This company not only took content off us that we paid for but it also resold us content we had already paid for (example every D1 piece of content in the game) not to mention the countless reskinned armour and weapons every season/expansion. I don't play anymore but I stop by here in the hope that things may have changed I must be a sucker for punishment. All I can say is if you enjoy the game good for you but if your not enjoying yourself now get out now don't waste another cent or moment of your time on this once great franchise, Bungie as a developer has changed and things will not get better they will only get worse

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    • The only reason you’ve thought to make this post, is because an article came out, covering it. I miss nothing except some of the maps that were removed (PvP). I cannot fathom yearning to patrol IO, or any number other locations I cannot even recall at this time.

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      • Eh. I don't miss anything that was removed, except maybe the whisper and zero hour missions, and very definitely got my fill of them. Do kinda wish they'd thrown day 1 ppl like me a season pass or something. Nothing was stolen. Online servers for games get shut off regularly, like Madden FIFA etc. You're renting time and privileges. You haven't "owned" software for decades, disc or not. If you paid for it then it sat on a shelf or in your Steam library that's on you. People need to stop with this "file size" misinformation. The reality, as they said, is new stuff (subclasses etc) has to be tested every place, so they removed places nobody went. You're really gonna be salty about Io patrol? *Mercury?* Nah. OK maybe I'd take the Red War campaign if I could delete Lightfall.

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      • People still kick this dead horse??

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        • They say that the reason why they remove content is because the game would be too big to download even for computers. Which I do think is a lie I have played Warframe and from what I understand is that nothing in that game has been removed and it has been out either just as long as D1 or longer.

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        • Always was. However anyone that didn’t agree with it was shouted down by the BDF. Still happens to this day

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        • I assume it’s because of one or both last gen consoles. Maybe there was another work around. Idk.

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        • Hopefully, most people understand they bought access to a game that evolves over time (things get added, changed and removed). There’s a responsibility for Bungie to clearly communicate that (which, from my perspective, they have done) and there’s also a responsibility for players to check what they’re actually buying.

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          • [quote]What is the general consensus with the content Vault Now? At the time it seems the majority of the player base was not happy about it but understood it to a certain extent, I was one one. But now, it's clear that nearly everyone (what's left anyways) feels it was unjustified to remove so much content. Especially main campaigns and most destinations. Shouldn't it be considered at least to be somewhat... illegal? I mean we paid good money for that content, especially for the stories. Which was then removed, we paid for something. Then they took it back... I would like to go back and replay the old campaigns but of course I can't. For example, you buy a story game, let's say Soma. You play the story once, then Frictional games take the game back and you can't play it ever again and they keep your money even though you paid for the game to KEEP said game. My point is to this- Where is all the blowback? Yes there are some but not a lot, do people just not care that there were so -blam!- robbed? Hundreds, [b] HUNDREDS [/b] of dollars stolen per person. And they got away with it, somehow. What's the point of buying Final Shape if they can just remove it with no consequence.[/quote] Really? That's strange you think bungie stole anything from me. How did they steal 100s of dollars when I've had no money stolen? What delusions does one suffer from to conclude this or is I tf just plain old stupidity? You paid money for the content and agreed that it can be taken away. Seriously what type of mindset does one have that agrees to something then complains it's wrong?

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            • I’d rather have my file size be smaller than have a bunch of content in the game that like four people utilize. I miss some of the strikes, but that’s about it. The Y1 patrol zones (including the ones still in game) were barren ghost towns because they were designed for an almost entirely different game. The old raids had woefully inadequate loot compared to the newer ones. Serviceable loot has returned with refreshed perks. If they had jumped over to D3, you wouldn’t be playing any of the vaulted content right now either. It’s such a petty argument.

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              • "Blowback" in the Destiny community? Really? In a sense, this community is suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome". They will make any excuse to support their "church" of BUNGIE because they are so invested and converted. That was the result of constant grooming, distraction tactics, and creating an army of evangelists. Bungie successfully conveyed the image of being a garage company with a few gamers who turned their hobby into a career. Do you remember when they show featurettes before each season? The faces of a few gamers who are ecstatic about the game. You and we are the same. It's a great image because it creates a different kind of solidarity. Bungie pulled off an insanely clever move. As well as content creators who were always willing to smooth out Bungie's sloppiness. If it wasn't creating "hope" to keep the community invested, maybe the next expansion will make things right? Evangelists patrol the forums and Reddit to prevent criticism. As a result, it wasn't something that happened overnight, but over a long period of time. Gaming has become a business, let's not forget that. Consumer satisfaction isn't the issue, it's how much they can get away with to make a profit. Simple as that! That's what matters most!

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              • Digital owner ship. Personnel ppl should care, especially with company's lobbies the government. All tech companies have data about you, an it doesn't belong to you, this precedence is what set the stage for what we have today, where you as the consumer doesn't own a digital item when bought, an the tech company can just remove. There's going to he a big chance I'm this in the next few years, I'm starting to sew it now as a tech guy, ppl are getting annoyed buy this. Digital or physical you bought it it's your, removing it is theft.

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                • [quote]What is the general consensus with the content Vault Now? At the time it seems the majority of the player base was not happy about it but understood it to a certain extent, I was one one. But now, it's clear that nearly everyone (what's left anyways) feels it was unjustified to remove so much content. Especially main campaigns and most destinations. Shouldn't it be considered at least to be somewhat... illegal? I mean we paid good money for that content, especially for the stories. Which was then removed, we paid for something. Then they took it back... I would like to go back and replay the old campaigns but of course I can't. For example, you buy a story game, let's say Soma. You play the story once, then Frictional games take the game back and you can't play it ever again and they keep your money even though you paid for the game to KEEP said game. My point is to this- Where is all the blowback? Yes there are some but not a lot, do people just not care that there were so -blam!- robbed? Hundreds, [b] HUNDREDS [/b] of dollars stolen per person. And they got away with it, somehow. What's the point of buying Final Shape if they can just remove it with no consequence.[/quote] While i agree it’s scummy and that im sure a case could be made for not full refunds but maybe partial and a judge could be convinced to accept this case (im not a legal expert) Dont use the example you did, your example is saying the whole game was taken away when it wasn’t

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                  • You really need to let things go, especially if there’s nothing you can actually do about it, it’s not good for your health. I’m not exactly thrilled about it either but it’s not worth being stressed and pissed off about. I looked at it this way, I pay 100 to play whatever content they have available that yr. I play D2 on and off all yr because I can always find something to do to kill time. Other games I play for 20 hrs and don’t touch it again until maybe a month before the sequel comes out. So to me D2 will always be worth the money even if they take things away I enjoyed. Are they lying about taking content away to make room for new stuff ? Possibly. But until I find a game I enjoy as much as Destiny I choose to accept their reasoning and move on with my day.

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                    • It's borderline and reckless. Of course, one can work like that, as long as there's a tight SLA, but the backlash is also there with the current situation at Bungie. The content wasn't just removed for maintenance reasons. Parts of it were also reimplemented and resold again. That's pretty unfair. The game has also been exploited since the end of the original Destiny. It's permanent recycling. One paid twice or more for the same. That's effective and economic from the perspective of development, but it doesn't change the fact that they also need a sacrifice - a customer who purchased the recycled content before - to work like that. Which brings it back to borderline and reckless. Scummy or not, it is legal as long as no judge says it isn't. For me, it's a lesson, an example of ethics, and something to laugh about.

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                    • Did it take daddy aztecross to make a video about it to put it back in your memory? Welcome to the club. You’re years late.

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                      • Soma was awesome.

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                        • -Core playlist (strikes-pvp-gambit maps) -Raids -all story missions (adventures) -dungeons and exotic missions Must stay at all cost. No more seasonal activities i hate them all (İf new weapon needs red border farm put the process inside coreplaylist)

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                          • I want the strikes, planets and raids back. F**k the story who cares!

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                            • While I wish it wouldn't have taken so many people so long to realize it's a scam - I'm glad people have came around. The one thing you can trust about the DCV - Bungie removed that content so they could sell it to veterans again & have easy "new" content to add to the game for newer players.

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                              • Bungie removed the 'bloat' to give us things like Neomuna. Are you not entertained!

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                                • [quote]What is the general consensus with the content Vault Now? At the time it seems the majority of the player base was not happy about it but understood it to a certain extent, I was one one.[/quote] The general consensus is that this content should've never been removed and any other take is irrational or a Bungie shill. Bungie can't even claim it helped with updating and maintaining the game when the game has been buggier than ever and downtime for even minor hotfixes went from 15 minutes to 2 hours. [quote]But now, it's clear that nearly everyone (what's left anyways) feels it was unjustified to remove so much content. Especially main campaigns and most destinations.[/quote] It was to squeeze new players of money so they can feel some semblance of a game experience. Any other "technical limitation" was more so due to laziness and cutting corners of updating older content to newer versions of their engine. [quote]Shouldn't it be considered at least to be somewhat... illegal? I mean we paid good money for that content, especially for the stories. Which was then removed, we paid for something. Then they took it back... I would like to go back and replay the old campaigns but of course I can't.[/quote] Its in a legal grey area really, since no lawsuits or anything has been done against it I doubt we'll see anything about it anytime soon until there is some massive boundary overreach by some company. At the moment its not illegal for Bungie to do, it has however been to their detriment in the long run. [quote]My point is to this- Where is all the blowback?[/quote] There is no blowback because the players became apathetic and left. Bungie is desperately grasping at monetisation because they burn through cash so fast and they are hedging their bets on TFS and Marathon. [quote]What's the point of buying Final Shape if they can just remove it with no consequence.[/quote] They have stated they will no longer remove expansion content but this just feeds more into the lie that was the DCV. Game gets to big so they cut a lot of content but suddenly with Lightfall they are no longer doing that so how did they solve the issue of "the game getting too big"? Its pretty obvious the writing on the wall that they are very likely not doing anymore expansions after TFS.

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