In responding to Muka Gatals, and I post this here because I want everyone to see this so I'm Clear on what I mean. I'm glad to know it's not just me, I remember hopping in to D1 because my dad wanted me to give it a run back during the dark below, I didn't join the forums until taken king but that's beside the point. I will never forget when we got to the Ishtar sink on Venus for a mission he was running, the big area with the downed skiff. Decided to run a scout rifle and perched myself on top of the skiff in between the fins. I will never forget the look in his eye when I downed the two hobgoblins guarding the passage that had a lock on him, both precision shots, the smile on his face when it turned out I was a natural at the game, we both ran though dark below, house of wolves, taken king and rise of iron together, me providing tactical info and cover as a warlock while he'd be up in the thick of it as a titan. Memories man. When D2 released we had a blast, but unfortunately life catches up so he had to step back for a bit, I kept going, and when he did come back it was too different from when he left that he couldn't adjust. No more team runs in crucible and friendly competition, no more nightfalls because they were too difficult and he couldn't catch up, even strikes, it was just too different so he left the game for good. I myself was a hardcore competitive player for a while, Trials and stuff, but then I grew up and got a job, and where at first I didn't understand why my dad had to step back now I knew. All the changes that Bungie had made made it too difficult for people with lives to keep up, couldn't run trials anymore, couldn't do competitive crucible, my skill in nightfalls had dropped significantly, It became clear that balancing D2 and real life was just impossible. People such as streamers and youtubers won't understand (sorry Byf, I don't mean to call you out and if you do understand I apologize!) because it is their job to play the game and "Be Good" and not have "Skill Issues" and entertain the populace, but there are those that don't have the luxury of being a streamer or youtuber. We work the jobs that provide goods and services to people, such as Wal-Mart or Home Depot, and in turn don't have the time to play and "Git Good" or "Stay Good". The kids and children here won't understand because they have all the time in the world, but believe me when I say that It will hurt when you're older and suddenly realize that you too don't have the time to dedicate to the things you used to love, I didn't and now I regret not heeding my dads words. It's not a "Skill Issue" in the slightest, it's a "Life Issue".

Every good thing has and should have an ending

Bungie: "Does this chattering animal speak for you?" Me: "Certainly not" Look man you either had a rough day or something, because I hate to break it to you but it sounds like some issues are on your end and not Bungie's fault. What tipped me off was that your "ceaseless/hungering void" builds greatest's achievement was holding down Alters of Sorrow. My brother in Light, that activity as been power creeped years ago. I can do that activity with whatever I happen to have on me and not paying attention. That's like me complaining that my build I use for slaying patrol enemies is not working during a Grand Master. There is plenty to complain about in this game. But try to differentiate when your the problem and where Bungie messed up. You got old, took on more responsibilities, can no longer do the high tier stuff. It happens, but you don't just get rewarded for being a veteran player. If anything that makes it more embarrassing that you've played the game for so long and still can't run Coil. My cousins who haven't played the game since Forsaken have run the Coil to platinum. And they only just got back into the game a month ago. Update your builds, Use Fireteam finder, dominate the Coil, and get all that sweet loot. Hell I'll even run it with you. If that's too much work then I guess run Riven's Lair if that's more your speed. This isn't a Git Gud reply. But let's stop pretending that everything is Bungie's fault. Lets blame them when it's appropriate like with the cap on ornaments. But blame ourselves when we need too as well.

You don't speak for all the longtime players.

I'm going to try to not be a jerk about this: as far as I'm aware "seasons" are done after this one; the Coil isn't nearly as bad as you imply, especially if you form your own team and take your time; please don't claim to "speak for ALL us longtime players;" and lastly, paragraph breaks. Again, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but this literally hurts my eyes and that's not hyperbole or exaggeration.

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Sbmm is WHAT KILLED D2 pvp. It's an abomination that had failed 3 times previously and has failed once again. The reason pvp is dead now is solely due to sbmm implementation. It needs to be removed completely alongside fireteam based mm Bottom tier players are not entitled to a segregated safe space by virtue of being inept. Period. Coil is fine as well and not really very challenging. It is no wonder this post is at zero upvotes...

Catering only to the Low skill players. Killed the game.

You may want to try Warframe for an example of good game

Holy wall of text Batman!!

skill issue

[quote]So I want to start this off by saying that I have been holding off on saying this for a long time, I really have. Mainly because I myself didn't want to believe it and it took me a long time to tell myself this, and I hope this post can serve as a message to Bungie on how to fix their game and other gaming companies on how to make a "good game". Because I have been a player ever since dark below back in D1. Bungie, your game is dying, and you're to blame, let me explain from personal experience. Lets start with the fanbase, who are you appealing to, are you trying to please the competitive fanbase or the casual players? Destiny IS NOT HALO and the amount of potential casual players that exists far exceeds the competitive group, and the decision to remove SBMM is probably the dumbest decision I have ever seen period, SBMM is exactly that, "BASED", I'm in-between jobs at the moment but back then when I would get home from work if I booted up D2 and wanted to play crucible the intent wasn't to curb-stomp someone into the dirt nor was it to get curb-stomped, it was to play a few matches and get paired up with other players of the same skill (not the character statistics on the side ((stren, dex, int)) and evolve your skill around other players. They are actual people and not bots ya know. Who cares what the hardcore competitive players think because most of the time their intent is "crush and utterly dominate". Why, because it makes them feel good and SBMM would keep that in check. Again, the amount of potential casual players far outweighs the competitive fanbase, and even then most competitive players don't like the hardcore folks. Now lets talk about gameplay and seasons as a whole, and the current season is the perfect example, especially the coil. Firstly, seasons have to stop, after forsaken when seasons were implemented is when things started going downhill, around this time most players were casual meaning most of us have jobs and lives to get to, we don't have the time to dedicate in such a short span. So when you implemented seasons you inadvertently isolated a major part of the fanbase, and now these "seasons" are to the point where it feels more like if you don't have all D2 "grindsets" then don't play at all. Gameplay wise is no better and is no more evident than in The Coil, and my question to you is what did you do to the enemies. Holy crap they are impossibly tough. when the fans called out and said we wanted tougher enemies this is not what we meant, we wanted them as tough as they were back in D1 where we didn't have healing rifts and we actually had to take cover and think up strategies, not this crap where we are drowning in enemies and it doesn't matter if you take cover because there is a knight or fanatic behind every rock or pillar. This happened just today but it should be an indicator on just how dire things are, I had to do some things in The Coil to advance the story right, and five or six times in a row I got into matchmaking and pair up with someone, not a group, someONE, who had either one or no lives and their time was pushing anywhere from forty minutes to an hour, sometimes both. And when I did get into a decent group it was just curbstomp, curbstomp, curbstomp, res, res, res over and over again. People aren't playing because they aren't having fun anymore, you're excellent at telling a story but gameplay leaves something to be desired. I have a pretty powerful void build that I call my ceaseless/hungering void that I had to break out to even be of any help during this, and what do I mean by powerful, I mean this thing has managed multiple lanes effortlessly in the Altars of Sorrow, ten nova bombs in one run kinda thing, and it couldn't handle the ADS and Boss inside the coil! For clarity I just had a rather heartbreaking conversation with a friend whom I constantly played D2 with and long story short we have both decided to uninstall the game because, in his own words "It feels more like Bungie is punishing the players for asking and suggesting ways to make the game better and for their own shortcomings with SONY." "I love the lore their building but they've... murdered the game." Bungie, with love and care I say this, and I think I speak for ALL of us longtime players of the series, You need to start rolling things back and fixing the issues that are currently present, because if you don't you will never have the fanbase you once did and you will never make up for the lost profit to stay independent from SONY. And the worst of it all, you will lose Destiny just like you lost Halo. This isn't hate, this is concern.[/quote] Paragraphs. Use them sweetie.

What happened to the American Dream?

[quote] and I hope this post can serve as a message to Bungie on how to fix their game [/quote] What part of using this game to fund their other projects don't you understand? They are done, just like they were done with Halo and D1. They just have FS to sell and they will spend their time working on what's next. It's why they have their top devs working on other projects and not this one. [quote] And the worst of it all, you will lose Destiny just like you lost Halo. [/quote] Bungie gave up working on Halo to work on Destiny. Microsft owns Halo and always has so I don't know where you are getting your info from.