You mentioned Gunslinger like it's a bad subclass. Honestly one of the best.

No, I didn’t. You’re completely assuming things. I did not in any way, shape, or form imply that Gunslinger is bad. I’m just saying that it’s not like I’m a Behemoth main saying Behemoth needed to be buffed. That would be biased. As a complete outsider with no skin in the matter, I’m saying Behemoth needs a buff.

Gotcha. It kinda does to an extent. I'd argue not as big a buff as something like Revenant, though. That subclass is TERRIBLE. I am a Hunter main, admittedly, but I used to LOVE Revenant until void 3.0 came out. Now I can't even look at it.

Respectfully, Behemoth is easily the worst subclass in the game. I mained Revenant for probably 6 weeks about 4 months ago, and I thought it performed fine. Not to say it doesn’t need a buff, the melee is shyte. But Shatterdive for movement, and Duskfield with Touch of Winter + 100 Discipline and the increased duration fragment? It’s really, really good. I used it with Stompees, and the movement paired with the lane control can lead to some useful flanks. Behemoth on the other hand, is just awful. The melee is terrible, you’re usually dead before you reach the target. The super might be the worst roaming in the game, with Nova Warp probably taking the cake. Cryoclasm is niche and honestly, it doesn’t really do anything if I’m being honest. Like, we want to slide moderately farther. Movement exotics like Dunes, Stompees, and T-Steps simply buff it just enough, so that you can have enough time to ADS and target an enemy. Cryoclasm is too much. You end up sliding past the lane you were trying to challenge, or you just slide in such a straight, predictable line, the enemy guns you down. If this wasn’t all enough, the other aspects are terrible. Tectonic Harvest and you’re locked to Glacier Grenade. Which means you have basically no offensive abilities, as the melee is cheeks. If you choose the Howl of The Storm route, you’ll soon realize that HoTS is actually worse than Shiver Strike. Then you might think, hmm, maybe I run HoTS with Tectonic and try to go for ability spam. But then you realize your ability spam is pointless, because none of your abilities can be used offensively. You’re using abilities just to use abilities. It’s a terrible subclass and needs more synergy with the grenades. Right now, there’s three Stasis keywords. Slow, Freeze, and Stasis Shards. Hunter does Slow, Warlock does Freeze. But Titan doesn’t even do Stasis Shards unless you’re using a Grenade and an Aspect. Imo, HoTS needs a buff so that it does a follow up shatterdive like Consecration. Shiver Strike needs the shoulder charge treatment, so it doesn’t consume your full charge if you don’t hit someone. 50% should be fine. Stasis Shards should receive a buff. And Tectonic Harvest should cause Stasis Shards to automatically grant a piece of overshield when picked up.

Honestly, with Howl, that one exotic that turns your barricade into crystals, glacier, and my nonfondness of the other two grenades in the first place, the only issue is that Titans don't have something like shatterdive. Their melee SUCKS and they should have a shatterslam or something like shatterdive. That in my opinion is the second reason Behemoth is bad. I never liked the duskfield spam crap for Hunter, simply because I refuse to hold still long enough for Renewal Grasps to matter, and would rather shatterdive everything. Down side is, the glacier cooldown is just long enough that you'd need to center your weapons around creating crystals. I'd rather not be forced to use Verglass Curve. Wanna know my first reason why Stasis is so bad for Titans and Hunters, both? The only class that has INTRINSIC healing is the warlock. I don't count the one overshield fragment. It's -blam!- anyway. Honestly it comes down to personal opinion to which is the worst. I introduced my Legendary campain loadout to a couple friends, they could not use it. They hated it.

[quote]Honestly, with Howl, that one exotic that turns your barricade into crystals, glacier, and my nonfondness of the other two grenades in the first place, the only issue is that Titans don't have something like shatterdive. Their melee SUCKS and they should have a shatterslam or something like shatterdive. That in my opinion is the second reason Behemoth is bad.[/quote] Yeah, HoTS plus Glacier Grenade plus Hoarfrost = just a lot of Crystals that sit around and do nothing. Like I said, you’re just using abilities just to use abilities. And I believe I said that in my post, that Howl of the Storm should function like Consecration. The first button press does exactly what it does now, only it consumes half your melee. You then follow up with a smash, which shatters all nearby Crystals and frozen targets. [quote]I never liked the duskfield spam crap for Hunter, simply because I refuse to hold still long enough for Renewal Grasps to matter, and would rather shatterdive everything. Down side is, the glacier cooldown is just long enough that you'd need to center your weapons around creating crystals. I'd rather not be forced to use Verglass Curve.[/quote] I don’t use Renewals, and they aren’t necessary at all. I just use it because it’s great for lane blocking. I just use it like a roadblock, and then I flank. Just use Touch of Winter for the Stasis Crystal to spawn in the middle, and the fragment that gives you increased grenade regen when breaking a Crystal. With Whisper of Torment and 100 Discipline and breaking the grenade in the center, you can usually get your grenade back within 20 seconds. It really should be illegal. I can sometimes get my grenade back before my other one ends. [quote]Wanna know my first reason why Stasis is so bad for Titans and Hunters, both? The only class that has INTRINSIC healing is the warlock. I don't count the one overshield fragment. It's -blam!- anyway.[/quote] Yeah, Whisper of Rime is cheeks, and I don’t use it. The new Frost Armor keyword might shake things up a bit for Titan, but right now, neither class has any survivability. The reason I think Titan is the worst is because Hunter can become the “Slow Expert.” With Duskfield and the melee, and if you don’t like Shatterdive, the slowing Dodge as well can all lead to crazy slowing potential. Titan on the other hand? Hunter does slowing, Warlock does freezing. Titan is locked to doing Stasis Shards, and for that, you 100% need 1 Aspect, and at least a grenade or another Aspect. It just requires so much for so little. [quote]Honestly it comes down to personal opinion to which is the worst. I introduced my Legendary campain loadout to a couple friends, they could not use it. They hated it.[/quote] I agree. I know there’s a lot of good players out there who can play Behemoth and make other players look like trash. On that same note, every subclass has some niche that someone is naturally good at/enjoys. Behemoth just literally has less buildcrafting potential and keyword synergy than other subclasses. Now some people may just be really good with Crystal chaining and have optimized their build to the max just to tap into this niche. But they could go hop on Solar Warlock and they would have better movement, better abilities, and better keyword synergy without needing to use a specific exotic, or weapon. Which is less than I can say for Titan.

Well, again, Titans can make the crystals, but their melee is -blam!-. Yes, Howl needs that Consecration treatment, but make it different. Add the ability to airdive like shatterdive and shatter crystals that way. It's a crime because any good Stasis Titan needs a Stasis Hunter to survive. Frost Armor diesn't excite me, to be honest.

[quote]Howl needs that Consecration treatment, but make it different. Add the ability to airdive like shatterdive and shatter crystals that way.[/quote] That’s what I’m saying though. There’s a follow up melee, much like the second slam of Consecration. Or are you saying Titan should have another aspect that works like Shatterdive? I just think Bungie will never give Titan anything thats too close to Shatterdive. [quote]It's a crime because any good Stasis Titan needs a Stasis Hunter to survive. Frost Armor diesn't excite me, to be honest.[/quote] Yeah, if really pissed me off that Behemoth can’t do anything except spam Crystals and look pretty. Like the Crystals themselves don’t do anything. They just sit there. Sure, they can block damage, but like, how much could you possibly be getting shot at. I mean, I feel like it’s a lot better to have something to avoid the bullets in the first place, no? And going back to them blocking damage, for the build to work properly, you have to break the Crystals. If you don’t, you don’t get the Shards, and you don’t get the boosted grenade regen. So really, you have cover for like 10 seconds and then you have to break it. Behemoth excels at creating useless things. It’s like being able to create infinite Dawning surprises.

Here's what I'm saying for the aspect: While sliding, activate your charged melee to unleash a load of crystals on the battlefield, consuming your melee energy. While airborne, activate your air dive ability to shatter any stasis crystals and frozen targets nearby. Blast radius increases (up to double) the farther you travel in the Air dive. As for the lore? You'd obtain a page for getting each aspect. This one goes something like this: "Don't forget to thank the Hunters. If it weren't for them, we would still be sitting there just looking pretty." Gridlock was always a Hunter suckup. Dunno why he got stuck as a Titan. "Right, my minigun weighs more than they do, so remind me how a pint sized terror can do so much?" Poor -blam!- couldn't crush a rat if they tried. I guess I forgot to watch my back when I said that. "People always underestimate me, but then they turn their back..." Note to self: Never turn your back on a Hunter.

But the second part just gives HoTS Shatterdive for free… and it’s a better version. I just think it makes more sense to make it like Consecration. Even though I’m a Hunter main, I’ve always defended Titans and Warlocks. But this is a lot. It literally replaces Shatterdive. I would really like to see Titan get an in-air move, but I’d like to see it arrive in something like Twilight Garrison. Or Thruster being usable in the air. Not as Shatterdive 2.0. Besides, if they were to make it like Consecration, the actual move itself would be stronger. As you have the option to just cast the Crystal and it only consumes half your charge, or you can do the follow-up slam to kill an enemy or quickly get some Shards and Grenade regen.

The only issue I have is when you require melee energy to do something like that. That's why I would like an air dive like that.

But wouldn’t that completely defeat the purpose of Cryoclam? Like, Cryoclasm is here for a reason. It sucks that we have to choose between Cryoclasm’s ease of use to break Crystals or HoTS’s Crystal spawning, but that’s just the way it is. If Bungie gave us a super-Shatterdive on HoTS, nobody would ever use Cryoclasm. My idea locks it so that it really only finds use in immediately breaking crystals you created from HoTS, instead of being able to just Shatterdive any crystals you create, either from Glacier Grenades or Hoarfrost.

I guess that's true. How about this: Howl has that double shot ability, BUT Cryoclasm has an additional functionality. It does make falling from greater heights rather rewarding, while not making it a straight up shatterdive. Basically falling from great heights (you wouldn't be able to do this unless you already had the higher ground to put it in perspective, so it's not so easily pulled off) creates an area of impact that slightly damages nearby enemies and shatters stasis crystals. The big thing that I think about when I hear Titans is big, tall, and extremely heavy. Shaq would be jealous. If you've played either Fallout 4 or 76, landing from a great height in a suit of power armor would basically be like a ground pound, damaging and staggering enemies. Kinda where it was inspired. Does this sound like a fair trade-off?

Yeah, kind of like a pseudo-Ballistic Slam. Could be good for baiting enemies.

Well, again, you wouldn't be able to pull it off with High Lift even. You'd need that AND a high ground. I'll put it to you this way: If you don't take fall damage (normally), you don't shatter the crystals. Additionally, it would be interesting to looking at reducing fall damage with that same aspect to help. 🤔

[quote]Because Stasis Warlock is hands down the best Stasis subclass in any content.[/quote] Are you joking? The best in the game is hunters Stasis. Shutdown down super, spam shatter diving champions, hello??

[quote] Are you joking? The best in the game is hunters Stasis. Shutdown down super, spam shatter diving champions, hello??[/quote] Are you? Revenant is terrible in PvE. The super is awful. An ad clear super? I can get more out of one G-Horn shot. Shatterdive is terrible against any champs. You can use it one time, and in a GM it deals like a quarter of a Champ’s health bar and you have to use it in close quarters. Meanwhile, Warlock can literally shut down an entire room with almost infinite freezing. A lot of ads coming your way? Stasis Turret will do the trick. A lot of ads clumped together? Coldsnap freeze chaining will stop a dozen enemies right in their tracks. Need to do some DPS against a yellow bar? The super’s shatter slamming tops Silence and Squall any day of the week. Stasis Warlock is easily the best in PvP, and in PvE, it tops the others even more so.

I was just playing yesterday and watching champs get shatter dived. BTW shatter dive was buffered about a year ago. As for recant as a whole its the best Stasis in the game. Especially silent and squall in gm

Created the post post this morning. Stasis Warlock blows every other class out of the water, with a whopping 69%. Hunter comes in with a measly 19%.

Can you give me the link to this poll?

Gladly! [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/263880465/0/0link[/url]

Erm... There is no link...

There should be, I see it on mine.