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5/15/2024 2:37:42 AM
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Raid mechanics are not fun.

Everyone trying to cheese or one phase everything.
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  • They are fun.

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  • BUNGIE dungeon/raid design is garbage. They know it, everybody who played games with real raids and dungeons knows it. That's why they don't ban those who exploit the game to complete their completely pathetic attempts to make group content in this game other than strikes. Otherwise, nobody would play it and they would be forced to do better.

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    • Cheesing and One Phasing is not a sign of bad encounter design. It’s a sign of people just wanting to play the game as efficiently as possible. Why spend an extra 10 minutes doing something you don’t need to. You could instead get a 1 phase and move on to the next raid. And the next. And the next. People love to raid, but they also love to grind, and because people love to grind, they will raid as effectively as possible.

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      • [quote]Everyone trying to cheese or one phase everything.[/quote] People just want to do the most time efficient ways You want to do it the old way? Then do contest or post a LFG and specify. A example is using a car there’s no benefits to using a car other then its usually more time efficient then walking anywhere.

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      • MMO games have an effect on people where no matter what eventually people will always find the most efficient way to complete a group activity regardless of if it is the intended way or not. People dont like wasting time and cheeses and 1 phases are the most efficient way which saves time an allows for more things to be done throughout the day overall.

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      • Idk who this "everyone" you're talking about is When it comes to one phasing, that's usually just a sign of good damage, and in most encounters cheese strats are either not consistent or not effective enough over the regular version for it to matter. The exceptions are atrax and riven. Other than for those two encounters, I almost never see people running cheese strats. And again, one phasing is not a problem, it just shows that people are good at dealing damage. If people are trying to force a one phase when they don't have the damage to do it, then I can see where you're coming from though.

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        • People want to do well in this game by one phasing! Oh my god! Let me just make sure everyone is using kvostov and nothing else shall I?

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        • If you have the firepower - why two-phase if you can one-phase? I mean, it's 2024 and you don't have to use another phase to kill Taniks.

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        • People are always cheesing or using some overused weapon. Like all of matches someone is running with the green circle (idek what it is lol)

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        • I actually have to agree. I find raids fun, because of the group of people i do them with and the gear. Other than that, i actually HATE raids, because the mechanics leave no room for failure. Its actually tedious and lame. "Stand on that plate for exactly three minutes and one second, but any millisecond over that and you die and then we have to wipe and start over."

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          • What exactly is the problem of onephasing? You experience the entire mechanic, just dont have to repeat it. Doing as much damage as possible is literally the point of timed damage phases. Cheesing is just a matter of who you choose to play with. In my group, we usually do stuff legit and avoid anyone using netlimiters and stuff. Riven for example is much more fun and interesting this way. Cheesing only happens in very minor mechanics, like Jump in Run skips and such, or low man raids, where it is necessary for the completion.

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