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3/9/2011 4:30:34 PM
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Shields block bullets, but not knives?
I love the Assassination mechanic, don't get me wrong. But I just wonder to myself exactly how those shields work. They can stop multiple bullets, spikes, plasma, etc, but they can't stop a knife?
I'm looking for an answer. It doesn't have to be a serious answer, but an answer nonetheless.
Why can shields stop bullets, but not knives?
EDIT: SS4Anthony asks:
[quote] plus you're questioning this when a cone to the head kills you? [/quote]
Yes I am. There is no such thing as a dumb question. There are plenty of dumb answers, but I'm not looking for the right answer. I'm looking for the most convincing answer.
[Edited on 03.09.2011 8:36 AM PST]
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Because its a video game.
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Multiplayer isn't canon, so for the most part, you wouldn't have to worry about it. Since the only thing you assassinate in campaign are Elites, its possible the Elite shield system is different compared to the Spartan shielding. That said, Spartans punch with tremendous force, I'm sure they could break the shields with a stab. Again, Halo isn't realistic, if you have nightmares about this then just remind yourself it's a video game, lol.
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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du6xOmwKfVM[/url] The slow blade penetrates the shield. [Edited on 03.09.2011 9:47 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Metaxas [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LoboDemon I can throw a pen at my LCD monitor and it will probably bounce off. I can also stab that same pen through my monitor (but I'm not gunna...)[/quote] good answer[/quote] This is probably the simplest, but clearest answer I've seen. Not the most comprehensive, certainly, but it's the best in terms of a short, sweet answer.
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a spartans knife being thrust at you has about 100 times the force of a bullet. Actually, it is probably about 1,000 times the force of a bullet.
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I believe this as because their shield work in a simimalr fashion to that of forerunners. The shield only comes into place when it detects a high velocity object. A slow moving object usually poses no threat.
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The slow knife kills.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] abelsinh good question... i don't have an answer... also, what happen with all the titanium and mjolnir? why a knife can penetrate that?[/quote]this.. we have armor now in the present time that can easily stop bullets much of it short of the strength of titanium... but its a game
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] annoyinginge Force = Mass x Acceleration Pressure = Force / Cross-Sectional Area Okay, let's see. The knife has a very sharp blade, meaning a [i]very[/i] small cross-sectional area. Whereas bullets, while having a fairly small CSA, are more rounded and tend to flatten out anyway. So that's 1-0 to the knife. The bullet will have less force than the knife. Guns cannot provide too big a force - each force has an equal and opposite direction, in this case known as recoil. Gun designs keep recoil to a minimum, instead making bullets more aerodynamic and lighter. Whereas a Spartan is very strong, the suit alone applies enough force to shatter a regular human bone. Does firing a gun shatter your arm bone? No. Knife 2, bullet 0. The knife, with the Spartan behind it, has far more mass than the bullet. Three nil. Both have large acceleration (or, in this case, deceleration) so they tie in this area. Knife beats bullet 4-1.[/quote] This is probably the right theory. Spartan shields not stopping low velocity objects isn't true. I have something to add to this theory. The knife never really goes trough armor plating. It goes trough the under suit which is made of titanium nanocomposite. It's kind of "flexible titanium" it sin't as strong as normal titanium but still very strong. It slows down bullets but not knives.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GnadeMasta Force. They can block or deflect high-velocity items easily, but a knife at medium velocity with a force behind it is harder to stop.[/quote] This.
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Sheilds are designed to deflect low mass, high velocity impact. Knives and Beatdowns are the exact opposite of this.
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because when a bullet hits the shield it has no more force to push through it just reflects off same with plasma spikes etc. but with a knife there is a person there with constant force on the knife to push it through same with the sword oh and also because those shields where made in korea
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"That's a big -blam!- Kmife!" -Nikolai That really sums it up.
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The Knives are made from bits of Chuck Norris's Bones.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] abelsinh good question... i don't have an answer... also, what happen with all the titanium and mjolnir? why a knife can penetrate that?[/quote] The Knife is plunging into a Soft Spot on the Armor, if you notice alot of the Titanium plating on the MJOLNIR suit is spaced between vital points, but the soft spots are all EVA exo suit's for surviving space and hazardous area's
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LoboDemon I can throw a pen at my LCD monitor and it will probably bounce off. I can also stab that same pen through my monitor (but I'm not gunna...)[/quote] good answer
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] abelsinh good question... i don't have an answer... also, what happen with all the titanium and mjolnir? why a knife can penetrate that?[/quote] Same reason Diamonds can, a lot of force and power will force it through.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Guywiired I can't be the only one who hears the shield pop every time there's an assassination..[/quote] I just realised something- The bullet is only there for an instant, while a knife stays there. The shields put literally everything into blocking the knife, and the shields pop.
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I can't be the only one who hears the shield pop every time there's an assassination..
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spartans are super strong, super strenght + knife = shields break
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Guywiired [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] switch 104 sv Just to clarify, this guy is correct. The shields are always present regardless of the velocity of impact. They [b]do not[/b] work based off a speed/force measuring basis like Stargate.[/quote] You meant to say like DUNE, right?[/quote] The concept is used in SG-1 if I remember correctly. Although yes, Dune used the idea first. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] scmitar1 Knives are low velocity. You could easily injure a spartan by throwing a rock at him, since rocks are low velocity. The shields only 'block' things that are travelling at very high speeds, such as bullets. The shields remain active, but the object penetrates right through the shields. Obviously, larger objects are more difficult to block.[/quote] Once again, this is not how MJOLNIR's shield systems operate. They are always on, regardless of a project velocity or lack thereof. [Edited on 03.09.2011 9:17 AM PST]
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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2XQ97XHjVw]Non-newtonian fluid[/url]
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Fking math and science, how about a simple answer.. Their sheild deflects bullets. Their sheilds cannot deflect what is being forced through it. This also applies to Plasma Blade, Energy Sword, Gravity Hammer, and Golf Club. Edit: If anyone decides to quote this asking about Rockets and Grenades; Rockets explode, but basically still deflects, thoguh it's the impact that mostly kills them.. Same with grenades, though the grenades still bounce off them, taking some power off their sheilds. [Edited on 03.09.2011 9:10 AM PST]
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Knives are low velocity. You could easily injure a spartan by throwing a rock at him, since rocks are low velocity. The shields only 'block' things that are travelling at very high speeds, such as bullets. The shields remain active, but the object penetrates right through the shields. Obviously, larger objects are more difficult to block. [Edited on 03.09.2011 9:07 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] switch 104 sv Just to clarify, this guy is correct. The shields are always present regardless of the velocity of impact. They [b]do not[/b] work based off a speed/force measuring basis like Stargate.[/quote] You meant to say like DUNE, right?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GOLD SKYCAP [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hallow36 This one's an oldie, but I'll throw it out there again anyway: The spartan shields detect the velocity of an object and stop it based on it's possible impact rate. The feature doesn't activate if the object moves slowly, so if someone say, tosses a spartan a rifle, it doesn't bounce off the shields away from his hand. Same goes for the knife, but it's being stabbed into the soft gel-layer of the armour and not the thick plating. It's moving too slowly to be detected by anything but the internal diagnostics saying, "That was your spine!"[/quote] This is incorrect. Spartan shields are omnipresent when activated. Their effects are toned down on your hands and feet so you can walk and handle things with your hands without having any trouble. The most likely reason that the knives penetrate both shields and armor is that the knife is made of some sort of super badass titanium alloy and spartans are freakin' strong.[/quote] This, they explain it in the books.
