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8/18/2012 1:19:06 PM
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Waterboarding...why not just hold your breath?
I know it's late, and I'm killing time at work; this question has been bugging me: waterboarding consists of (in the crude way) putting a rag over someone's face and pouring water over it to simulate drowning without actually endangering the person...so...why wouldn't the person being "tortured" just hold their breath, and then pretend that it worked?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jujucheezit [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jujucheezit I don't want to read the thread. Your friends waterboarding you for 30 seconds and somebody intentionally trying to make you extremely uncomfortable are two different things. I'd make you cry, OP.[/quote] It was several rounds of about a minute (no timer, they just did it till the pitcher was empty. Also, [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVxk5frP9Fg&feature=player_detailpage#t=9s]my reaction[/url] to your post. Get over yourself and stop bumping the thread, let it die.[/quote] It doesn't take a badass to properly waterboard someone, and it doesn't take a genius to realize that it's not as simple as "Holding your breath" There is no set time limit for waterboarding, it's however long it takes. Water hose + towel + your face = have fun holding your breath for ten minutes.[/quote] It's cute that you think you're being all authoritative and hardass right now when all of this has been discussed already. I'm not sure what you think you're accomplishing by posting.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jujucheezit I don't want to read the thread. Your friends waterboarding you for 30 seconds and somebody intentionally trying to make you extremely uncomfortable are two different things. I'd make you cry, OP.[/quote] It was several rounds of about a minute (no timer, they just did it till the pitcher was empty. Also, [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVxk5frP9Fg&feature=player_detailpage#t=9s]my reaction[/url] to your post. Get over yourself and stop bumping the thread, let it die.[/quote] It doesn't take a badass to properly waterboard someone, and it doesn't take a genius to realize that it's not as simple as "Holding your breath" There is no set time limit for waterboarding, it's however long it takes. Water hose + towel + your face = have fun holding your breath for ten minutes.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jujucheezit I don't want to read the thread. Your friends waterboarding you for 30 seconds and somebody intentionally trying to make you extremely uncomfortable are two different things. I'd make you cry, OP.[/quote] It was several rounds of about a minute (no timer, they just did it till the pitcher was empty. Also, [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVxk5frP9Fg&feature=player_detailpage#t=9s]my reaction[/url] to your post. Get over yourself and stop bumping the thread, let it die.
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I don't want to read the thread. Your friends waterboarding you for 30 seconds and somebody intentionally trying to make you extremely uncomfortable are two different things. I'd make you cry, OP.
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OP, I bet I can make you tap out by water boarding you.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Toxifies [quote][b]Posted by:[/b]Each round of waterboarding lasts less than a minute; the point is to [i]simulate[/i] suffocation, not cause it.[/quote] Yeah OP, because you've witnessed a real life waterboarding. Also, do you think that if it were so easy to counter, that it would be torture?[/quote] I'm just going off of what I've read. Most sources say 20-40 seconds of water pouring, followed by a short break to catch some breath, and then another round. And holy crap guys let it die, this was finished like a page and a half ago. What's all this business about cats and tattoos? To the guy below me, feel free to read the thread and not bump unnecessarily. [Edited on 08.18.2012 8:36 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sgt Commando [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey I'm merely trying to get a more reasonable answer;[/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SKYDROME It's designed to induce the feeling of drowning, and when you're drowning, you tend to reflexively open your mouth, in the hope of air, even when there is none. And then you keep drowning.[/quote][quote][b]Posted by:[/b] STB97 This is the main reason, the human body as a rather stupid reflex that causes you to gasp for air upon contact with cold or freezing water, which in most cases doesn't allow the person to take a breath before they are submerged.[/quote][quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Synyster Snipez Because holding your breath is useless in alleviating the psychological trauma associated with waterboarding as a method of torture. [/quote][quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jew man man Panicking would likely make the victim gasp for air, so holding their breath won't work.[/quote][/quote]
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Because in stressful scenarios, especially with your face covered, it's natural to breathe as much as possible. It's all fine saying that you've had it done on yourself, but I don't believe that it would be anywhere near violent or unexpectedly sudden for your body to react the way it would do in a serious scenario. I'd imagine that in a real situation, it would be continued until you did break and started breathing in water.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Munitions lll OP, the amount of dumb in here is astounding [/quote]It's not dumb to ask a question you don't know the answer to. It's very dumb to ridicule someone for not being afraid to admit they don't know something.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jew man man [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jew man man [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 So if i was curious about getting a tattoo it would be stupid to get one? Seriously, the ignorance with kids (since you seem to be one) is ridiculous. Yes it is odd to do such a thing but if you want to know you have to do it.[/quote] You're comparing a tattoo with a recognised torture method. [/quote] Curiosity is curiosity. The OP didn't make a thread fully ignorant of the topic and there is nothing wrong with that. I did say it was odd but it is far better than watch torture videos.[/quote] Curiosity killed the cat. [/quote] Cats=/=Humans[/quote] You're an idiot. Don't take the literal meaning of it, it's a metaphor.
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The entire point of waterboarding is that it simulates something we're naturally terrified of; drowning. The fact that water's being powered over you, coupled with the fact that you can't breathe, triggers this instinctive fear. Holding your breath doesn't change either of these two things, so won't affect the effectiveness.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Maiq Perhaps because people get waterboarded for longer then the breath threshold? [/quote] If they did that, then they'd be in danger of actually hurting the person. The point of waterboarding is to terrorize a person without causing them to black out. While being waterboarded, you can't breathe anyways, so if they poured water on your face for as long as you could hold your breath, they'd be doing it incorrectly.[/quote] It to simulate drowning, and when a person is freaking out like that, then answers will stream from their mouth.
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I'm guessing it's a type of reflex arc, like what happens to your hand when you touch a hot stove; it moves away from the danger without you cognitively knowing about it. In this instance the bodies first response is to gasp for air whether you want it to happen or not.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jew man man [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jew man man [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 So if i was curious about getting a tattoo it would be stupid to get one? Seriously, the ignorance with kids (since you seem to be one) is ridiculous. Yes it is odd to do such a thing but if you want to know you have to do it.[/quote] You're comparing a tattoo with a recognised torture method. [/quote] Curiosity is curiosity. The OP didn't make a thread fully ignorant of the topic and there is nothing wrong with that. I did say it was odd but it is far better than watch torture videos.[/quote] Curiosity killed the cat. [/quote] Cats=/=Humans
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b]Each round of waterboarding lasts less than a minute; the point is to [i]simulate[/i] suffocation, not cause it.[/quote] Yeah OP, because you've witnessed a real life waterboarding. Also, do you think that if it were so easy to counter, that it would be torture?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jew man man [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 So if i was curious about getting a tattoo it would be stupid to get one? Seriously, the ignorance with kids (since you seem to be one) is ridiculous. Yes it is odd to do such a thing but if you want to know you have to do it.[/quote] You're comparing a tattoo with a recognised torture method. [/quote] Curiosity is curiosity. The OP didn't make a thread fully ignorant of the topic and there is nothing wrong with that. I did say it was odd but it is far better than watch torture videos.[/quote] Curiosity killed the cat.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jew man man [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 So if i was curious about getting a tattoo it would be stupid to get one? Seriously, the ignorance with kids (since you seem to be one) is ridiculous. Yes it is odd to do such a thing but if you want to know you have to do it.[/quote] You're comparing a tattoo with a recognised torture method. [/quote] Curiosity is curiosity. The OP didn't make a thread fully ignorant of the topic and there is nothing wrong with that. I did say it was odd but it is far better than watch torture videos.
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You can't hold your nose closed.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 So if i was curious about getting a tattoo it would be stupid to get one? Seriously, the ignorance with kids (since you seem to be one) is ridiculous. Yes it is odd to do such a thing but if you want to know you have to do it.[/quote] You're comparing a tattoo with a recognised torture method.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jew man man [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey I [i]have[/i] tried waterboarding; I had a towel wrapped around my face with two people holding me down and another pouring water on my face; I held my breath and was only mildly exhausted each round. [/quote] You voluntarily waterboarded yourself? That's stupid. [/quote] So if i was curious about getting a tattoo it would be stupid to get one? Seriously, the ignorance with kids (since you seem to be one) is ridiculous. Yes it is odd to do such a thing but if you want to know you have to do it. [Edited on 08.18.2012 7:02 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] wolfhunter9154 They hold your head at an [b]angel,[/b] so when the water is poured it runs into your nose, and makes you feel like your drowning.[/quote] lmao
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They hold your head at an angle, so when the water is poured it runs into your nose, and makes you feel like your drowning. [Edited on 08.18.2012 7:52 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xanarxses [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xanarxses Oh and I forgot to add. You'd think the one torturing would beat the air out of you before shoving your head in.[/quote] I'm not even sure that's necessary; apparently in the right conditions it's horrifying enough to cause Navy SEALs who have passed all of the training to immediately drop out.[/quote] lol you asked yourself about the whole holding your breath.[/quote] To promote a discussion; as I've said several times, the point of this isn't just to ask if it would work.[/quote] what IS the point?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xanarxses [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xanarxses Oh and I forgot to add. You'd think the one torturing would beat the air out of you before shoving your head in.[/quote] I'm not even sure that's necessary; apparently in the right conditions it's horrifying enough to cause Navy SEALs who have passed all of the training to immediately drop out.[/quote] lol you asked yourself about the whole holding your breath.[/quote] To promote a discussion; as I've said several times, the point of this isn't just to ask if it would work.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xanarxses Oh and I forgot to add. You'd think the one torturing would beat the air out of you before shoving your head in.[/quote] I'm not even sure that's necessary; apparently in the right conditions it's horrifying enough to cause Navy SEALs who have passed all of the training to immediately drop out.[/quote] lol you asked yourself about the whole holding your breath.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey I'm merely trying to get a more reasonable answer;[/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SKYDROME It's designed to induce the feeling of drowning, and when you're drowning, you tend to reflexively open your mouth, in the hope of air, even when there is none. And then you keep drowning.[/quote][quote][b]Posted by:[/b] STB97 This is the main reason, the human body as a rather stupid reflex that causes you to gasp for air upon contact with cold or freezing water, which in most cases doesn't allow the person to take a breath before they are submerged.[/quote][quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Synyster Snipez Because holding your breath is useless in alleviating the psychological trauma associated with waterboarding as a method of torture. [/quote][quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jew man man Panicking would likely make the victim gasp for air, so holding their breath won't work.[/quote]
