I hear what your saying, and have to agree. I got an invite from a guy that I had met on line and ran the VoG with several times. When I joined his group they were at Crota and of course I told them I had never done the Crota raid before so needed some direction. One of the group responded with "just follow our lead this will only take a min" Well they proceeded to cheese him and yes I got the banner, a shader, a ship and a shotgun (serves me right as I HATE shotguns, Karma I guess) I will not equip the shader or emblem unitl I complete the entire raid with NO cheeseing. I want to learn how to do it legit. That being said once you have completed the raid "Multiple times" I don't have a problem with cheese. I just remember the 1st time I ran VoG after they patched the Templar and the entire group was like "what do we do now" I had only ran the VoG a handfull of times BUT I had done it legit and I was the only one that knew what to do. This is what will happen if people don't take the time to learn the raid before going right for the cheese.