Legend: The Black Garden This Grimoire card following Pujaris visions of the black garden seems to offer some interesting insight on what the light and the guardians actually could be. "[i]You are a dead thing made by a dead power in the shape of the dead. All you will ever do is kill. You do not belong here. This is a place of life.[/i]" - (The Black Garden). Not something you would expect to hear from the great evil that plagues the universe. The whole game obviously shows guardians as defenders of light to triumph over evil, but the enemies of the guardians must feel the same way, a classic conflict. [i]"When my Ghost raised me from the sea there was a thorn-cut in my left hand and it has not healed since.[/i]" - (Pujari) Are guardians just soulless husks of death fighting a forgotten battle that is long lost? Nobody knows the origin of this fight. Is the traveler just a strange necromancer initially coming to earth bribing humans with technology and power just for them to become slaves to its selfish cause? Are the enemies of light just trying to rid the universe of the zombies spawned from the traveler? I would like to think not, but who knows. All of the enemies we face in destiny assumed to be after the light of the traveler. Why is this if they are full of darkness? Why would the sword of crota "feed" on the light of the guardians when the light is the poison we use against them? Dredgen Yor was a warlock who turned to the darkness, in turn Thorn was created. The fact that it is possible for the light to turn to darkness is interesting to me. Could it be that the "enemies" of the light simply feel abandoned by the light? Given the name of "The Traveler" its implied that it never chooses a permanent home. Imagine a scenario in which the Traveler is healed and said "alright thanks, ill be on my way then, i hooked you guys up already" and just left the guardians with the light it has already given us? If Dredgen Yor fell to darkness then who is to say others cant? Slowly corruption and greed would take over until all light has been converted to the dark, certainly we would hunt down the traveler so it can restore the golden age it once gave us. Would we then be like the Fallen and Hive? Enemies of the light. The little we know of the origins of the nine seem very contradictory. The grimoire card "ghost fragment legends 2" shows this. [i]- The Nine are survivors of the cis-Jovian colonies who made a compact with an alien force to ensure their own survival. - The Nine are deep-orbit warminds who weathered the Collapse in hardened stealth platforms. - The Nine are ancient leviathan intelligences from the seas of Europa or the hydrocarbon pits of Titan. - The Nine arrived in a mysterious transmission from the direction of the Corona-Borealis supercluster. - The Nine are the firstborn Awoken and their minds now race down the field lines of the Jupiter-Io flux tube. - The Nine are Ghosts who pierced the Deep Black without a ship and meditated on the hissing silence of the heliopause. - The Nine are the aspects of the Darkness, broken by the Traveler's rebuke, working to destroy us from within. -The Nine is a viral language of pure meaning. -The Nine are the shadows left by the annihilation of a transcendent shape, burned into the weft of what is.[/i] The enemies of the light and the guardians both seem unwillingly bound to the nine. Zur has some interesting quotes like "[i]Bodies come and go, but the cells remember, and if they forget The Nine remember it for us[/i]" This could explain how the guardians are raised from the dead. The "transmission" (ghost fragment legends) that is the nine, has the ability to control the will of any it reaches "[i]My will is not my own[/i]" - Zur. So Could it be possible that the "Gods" such as the heart of the black garden and the traveler suffer the same fate? two sides of the same coin. Its hard to say how far back the nine goes, but it seems like the nine are the real supreme power. "[i]A viral language of pure meaning[/i]." It was only after The Great Collapse it made itself known, giving life a choice, making the awoken what they currently are. Fallen, Hive, Vex, and Cabal. All enemies of the light right? Perhaps, but the only ones who really seem to be gunning for the Traveler itself are the Fallen and Hive. The Cabal we face are part of a long forgotten squadrant following old orders. Many Cabal question what they are even doing, if their orders are even still relevant. The only reason they are an enemy is because they were in the way when we needed to get to The Black Garden. As for the Vex? they can manipulate space and time, if they wanted to destroy the traveler, they most likely could have. The Vex are the most mysterious and interesting enemy as far as i am concerned, they seem to have much bigger plans then the traveler and its guardians. When it comes to the Vex, it really blows the lid off of anything we think we know about the world of Destiny. First off the simple fact that a race of robots capable of bending the fabric of existence worship a god? A god that we killed fairly easily no less. What is that about? The Exo Stranger, who seems to have access to at least a bit of vex technology. She gives you a weapon with parts that shouldn't exist yet, she can teleport seemingly the same way the vex do, and she sent a transmission from a distance that shocked your ghost. Plus she is not a guardian at all. I am very curios as to how the nine tie into the vex. Another Grimoire card that jumped out at me is "Ghost Fragment: Vex" Scientists at the Ishtar Collective are doing research experiments on how the Vex mind works and they are shocked at what they find. Here is a couple of snipits on the Vex specimen. [i][u]ESI[/u]: It's simulating us. Vividly. Elaborately. It's running a spectacularly high-fidelity model of a Collective research team studying a captive Vex entity. [u]SUNDARESH[/u]:...how deep does it go? [u]ESI[/u]: Right now the simulated Maya Sundaresh is meeting with the simulated Chioma Esi to discuss an unexpected problem. [indistinct sounds] [u]SUNDARESH[/u]: There's no divergence? That's impossible. It doesn't have enough information. [u]SUNDARESH[/u]: The simulations have interiority? Subjectivity? [u]ESI[/u]: I can't know that until I look more closely. But they act like us. [u]SUNDARESH[/u]: We're inside it. By any reasonable philosophical standard, we are inside that Vex. [u]ESI[/u]: Unless you take a particularly ruthless approach to the problem of causal forks: yes. They are us. [u]SUNDARESH[/u]: Call a team meeting. [u]ESI[/u]: The other you has too. [/i] So the Vex mind is one mind that is constantly projecting possible outcomes to scenarios. Combined with the hard knowledge it gains, it can simulate an exact reality. Now this begs the question, which reality is real? Every single simulation in the vex mind contains a reality in which the people within feel is the true reality. Could this be the secret to how the Vex aim to make their will reality as inferred by Atheon in the vault of glass? [u]Grimoire- Axis Minds: Atheon[/u] [i]Atheon has a function. We hazard that it regulates and oversees the Vex conflux system. What are these confluxes? How do they relate to the physical Vex network that has devoured so much of Mercury and Venus? We might guess that the Vex confluxes represent the extension of this network across space and time. Perhaps the Vex use closed timelike curves to solve unfathomable computations. Or the Vex may seek to transcend a physical substrate, and move their thoughts directly into the fundament of the universe. If physics is a set of rules that the cosmos uses to calculate itself, perhaps the Vex seek to worm their way into these calculations: to become a law of reality, inseparable from existence. A virus in the system. [/i] I realize i may have created more questions then answers here, but all these things have been puzzling my mind and its so interesting. My hope is that someone will find some insight in this and we can get a few minds on this and try to figure out just what is going on in destiny. I would love to hear some feedback. Thanks for reading!