Ok people I have thorn hawkmoon and the last word. I've attempted to use them all in crucible. thorn is supposed to be 3 hits dead hawk moon 2 shots and last word 3-4 to the body and I still don't kill people what's up with that I think mine are broken. Sometimes I've gotten one spotted with hawk moon and thorn. Anyone know of a fix for this? Edit #1 some people are saying it's my connection. but I tether my ps4 to my phone and my phones Internet is really good. so I don't knoq what else it could be