Again, I'll state as I did in my posts... Saint 14 is a misdirection. And not just 'A' simulated future... [spoiler]The Infinite Forest on Mercury.[/spoiler] Exactly where I said we were going. 😇 👍💠 I answered why the Taken are around, alluded to it... [spoiler]We never killed Quria. [/spoiler] And who talked about [spoiler]nanomachines that would be directed by beacons.[/spoiler] That was me too. To terraform Nessus. Who mentioned incorporating SiVA tech into the Echo protocols and linked a video from a year ago that explains EXACTLY what is happening "RIGHT NOW"? I did. I predicted all of this. You left out the 3 most important parts, btw. Probably because they're directly related to my theory. The name of the Vanguard battalion Saint led in the beginning. [spoiler]The Pilgrim Guard[/spoiler] The truth about the structures in the core of the moon. [spoiler]It's been there. Not new. [/spoiler] And, [spoiler]Sagira's death [/spoiler]

NOTE: The recent Polyphony entry, "As a Stranger Gives its Wisdom", seems to describe the moment the Echo fell into the network. [spoiler]The Vex themselves seemed unaware that the Echo had landed within their network. It mentions how they are "lacking any framework and parameters beyond what they could predict", and so they did not acknowledge it, were unable to see or feel it, and couldn't hear anything when the Echo called out. This falls in line with the Vex being unable to predict Paracausality, and the Echo is a paracausal force. What did happen was the Echo called out to those who held onto their identities within the network, and most of those individuals responded to the Echo and reached for it. Though we know who got the Echo first - the Conductor - the list of described individuals is quite interesting. The first group is the simulated versions of the Ishtar Collective researchers, all two-hundred-and-twenty-odd instances of them. The second seems to be Asher Mir, who survived his unspooling into the Vex Network. Then there is the Great Quiet Thing, the Not-Worm. More on it later. The fourth seems to be a version of Osiris, one who still has Sagira by his side. I don't know if this is a wayward Echo, a Reflection, or an alternate-timeline version of Osiris trapped in the Network. It seems even more reached for the Echo, and from the rush of voices near the end of the entry, at least one of them seems to be Praedyth, or at least someone is saying "TELL ELSIE PRAEDYTH STILL-" But since only one can be first, the Conductor/Maya Sundaresh was the one who found the Echo first. I guess this was the moment where she "reawakened". ------------------------------------------------------ But back to the Great Quiet Thing. I've never seen this mentioned anywhere before, and I have only guesses as to what the heck it could be. It heard the Echo, but unlikely every other stated party it chose to ignore it, because "it was still too soon". It did react with a shiver, and that shiver formed bubbles of hypothetical simulations where it didn't which then burst and scattered nutrients into the Vex Network. My best guess is, whatever this thing is - a proto-Worm, an Ahamkara, [i][b]something else[/b][/i], I don't know - it is not locked within the Vex simulations and radiolaria, but is a physical entity that's just...sleeping in the network amongst the Vex. Whatever this thing is, apparently the presence of the Echo, a Prismatic force, is "too soon" for whatever it is waiting for. Whether it is on Nessus or somewhere else connected to the Vex Network, I also have no clue. But this has caught my attention, and I am eager to see what our mysterious new entity is, and when it will appear.[/spoiler]

The Sundial being powered by Ahamkara magic is heavily implied in Dawn lore. Drifter said it the core was whispering and Osiris stated he couldn’t make the wish a second time. Perfect Paradox will play a role. It had the time stamps built into it that we used to find Younger Saint to save him and then the later timestamp to save older him. That’s how we succeeded where Osiris failed, the gun guided us. Even the branching timeline doesn’t add up. We unequivocally went back in time, that’s how Younger Saint was saved. I’ve seen some suggest it’s an alternate timeline version of us. Even if you grant that, it’s still time traveling back in time. So the premise of the suggestion still relies on time traveling back. So for him not to be the “real” Saint seems like a curveball from nowhere. Plus the wish being responsible for Sagaria dying doesn’t make sense. A corruption of the wish would be making him a simulation. Sounds like mental games.

[spoiler]The Sundial being powered by an Ahamkarawould make a lot of sense. I don't remember where the lore entry was, but during Dawn there was an entry that said the power source was whispering to Osiris.[/spoiler]