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4/6/2016 9:52:38 AM
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HUGE plot hole in the black garden mission
OK so remember that super-fun boss battle where you destroyed the black heart of the black garden in vanilla? Me neither, but I found a huge plot hole in that section. If the vex wanted to protect it so much, then why didn't they prepare for the guardian to arrive since they know of their power? Let me explain. The vex are controlled by one huge, shared mind right? Then why didn't the heart just bring all the 3 statues to life and brought like 20 ultra minotaurs and 3 legions of harpies to defend itself against the guardian's attacks? Since they are all shared by one mind, wouldn't the attacked vex just before the heart room have communicated with the other vex by their shared mind tactics to warn them to not underestimate the guardian? Plus, when the guardian arrived, the vex seemed suprised to see one and slowly turned around one by one because they felt it or something. I don't know but any theories guys?
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1 返信I hate threads like these cause it makes me wonder how great this story could have been. :(
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1 返信Because Destiny has a 10 year plan. The Vex know that their prolonged existence is dependent on the Guardian succeeding on their journey. Defeat the Guardian, then the Vex will be wiped from all existence. This is all part of the plan.
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1 返信The Vex don't move by their will. They move by the plan. If the plan says they die, they will die. It's like following instructions. If the instructions say to kill yourself, kill yourself.
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The Vex are not a total hive mind. Individual directives, such as like Hezen Protectorate and the like (that's probably the wrong name), are the hive minds. Don't dissect video game logic into lore. Boss battles are possible because they need to be for video games to work. Why does Croata send Swordbears after you instead of Gatekeepers which are invincible?
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1 返信Correct me if I am wrong, it's been a while since I did that mission. Wasn't all the garden deactivated so to speak? I remember them kneeling or standing uniformed until you got there or something.
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2 通の返信>can warp across star systems in an instant >not warping more than a few soldiers to deal with you at a time.
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Well that's the thing the vex may be doing whatever they did in the first games story as a sort of everything has a fate type of thing. They lead us to a victory lower our guard of the vex being taken care of and retaliate in larger numbers.
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Haha you could say that about anything e.g. why does oryx give you a chance to run for a relic then give you a knight to kill stealing his shield ... all along hes just standing there watching when all he has to do is clap his hands and kill everyone
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8 通の返信How many times did you die in that mission the first time through? Be honest. Yeah, they didn't need any help.
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1 返信Because they got high. Don't you remember all the goblins sitting there smoking when you enter?
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Alright here's my attempt of an explanation mixed with my knowledge of lore. When vex encountered the hive, being creations of logic were baffled by these creatures of faith. Faith being illogical, they could not possibly understand it. But they noticed a pattern that faith gives the hive just enough of an edge to make a difference. So their first attempt at understand faith is to make a heart instead of a mind. They may been testing us along the way to see if testing us against the heart would be accurate. Seeing as we made it, we were. So this battle could have been testing if they understand faith. Clearly not quite yet.
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Chia Pete FTWにより編集済み: 4/8/2016 9:18:36 AMThey failed because they did not know that they failed. Time travel paradoxes like that are often explained like how could they know to send more troops if nobody survived to tell them to send more troops? How could Harry Potter save himself and Serius from the Dementors if he didn't survive in the first place to know he needed to be rescued??? [spoiler]he couldn't have. This is why they wrote out time travel later in the series...[/spoiler] Time travel is messy and if I ever get into any form of writing or creative process I will avoid it at all costs...
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They could have prevented it but they mustve seen something either in the future or past that caught their attention and decided to test the outcome for themselves...they seem to like trial and error, always trying to find a way to survive in the future they see
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2 通の返信Not really a plot hole, plot holes are when two events in a story contradict each other. The best explanation I can come up with is underestimation. Sure they have fought us and challenged us before, but keep in mind we were always leveling up, getting stronger and unlocking new abilities. I don't know about you, but I reached level 20 mid mission, right before the boss. They were still learning about what we could do.
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2 通の返信That's not a plot hole. A plot hole is a contradiction in a story line via 2 seperate events. You are just arguing capability and action. (What they can do and what they do with it). Assuming all we know is accurate about being a time traveling hive mind, you could argue they could just go back in time b4 we existed and just end everything before it happens. You can always go one step further when arguing semantics. Some times you just have to assume things happened the way they did for a reason.
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2 通の返信According to Praeydth, the Vex had forseen their fate billions of years before the Taken War. It's possible that the Vex were willing to take the blow on the off chance that the Guardian stopped Oryx and saved them.
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5 通の返信Since the vex have time control I would assume the event was necessary in order for them to exist. Basically the vex are constantly running simulations on how to get rid of us (while still being created this is speculation) possibly something like if we don't kill the heart we wont defeat orxy and orxy would have destroyed the vex so they let us
