I don't know what a kjhovey is. I'm guessing it's one of those YouTube pseudo celebrities that you kids are so fond of. That being said I got news for ya kid. Smoke and vortex aint nothing revolutionary. I've been doing it since the beginning. It's common sense. Seems like kids these days can't do anything unless they see a pootypie do it first. That being said. It's not noob or cheese. [b]It's SYNERGY and STRATEGY[/b] Riddle me this. Why is it OP, noob, skrubish or cheese to use valid effective techniques? It seems like the only way to play appropriately is to get lucky using some god awful play style. You would be one of those British colonial soldiers that stood in a line reloading a musket while a native shot you in the neck with an arrow from the woods. Geez, kids these days