<NOTICE: I'm not good at art. Know this. This took longer yet shorter than I expected. Know this. I'm shite at any semblance of photoshop and I apologize for having to expose your eyes to 7 tiny ass red dots. Know this. I'm [b]not[/b] a mathematician. Know this. Now, on with the post. A while ago I took Destinypedia's math on the Darkness when Rasputin sized it up. It ended up being nearly the size of Saturn, the Mothership I mean. This I later reduced in size when theorizing because that's just way too -blam!-ing big. Now, it turns out that I may have a way to figure out its size... but it isn't definitive. I looked towards the Mothership and started to count each light in a column, hoping it'd give me a frame of reference... I don't have one. All of this post is based on what I call "levels". Levels being the floor of a room and where they are. For example, there are 5 levels on a typical Cabal Warship. The command ships like the Immortal expand this to 7. The Mothership was much to big, however, so I looked towards the two smaller ships in front and tried to count from there. It was a little easier not only due to their proximity but their size to the Mothership which I actually have some reference for. I count 5 levels in the "lightened" area, and one at the bottom beneath the "Light Zone". I added a 7th just to sandwich the former. https://i.imgur.com/jKtDqJz.jpg If we go by Cabal levels, then the Light Zone of a small Pyramid Ship is as tall as a Cabal Warship, like the one that crashed into the Dreadnaught. The image below is one of the artist's references on the Traveler, its Cage, and the Immortal. It is this that I use as a source for the Traveler's supposed size. https://i.imgur.com/gEsKWwg.jpg As shown, the Immortal is 620 meters long. So I started comparing that to the shape of the Pyramid Ships and determined that the smaller ships are somewhere around 4000 meters, or 4 kilometers. That's easily dwarfed by the Leviathan, Almighty, and Dreadnaught, but make no mistake, that's still -blam!-ing big. For comparison, an Imperial Star Destroyer is ~1.6 km long. That's about 3 Imperial Star Destroyers lined up or 1.5 First Order Star Destroyers. (Yes, I know I put 1.2 and 4 while talking about Imperial Star Destroyers, my bad) That easily dwarfs any Cabal fleetship, though. Even the larger Carriers. Of course, the main event was trying to size up the Mothership. I took a look through the cutscene and saw 3 lined up right next to it, real close. In Image 2 you'll see red outline rather easily of the ship I chose to be my reference. Yes, it's a little smaller than that outline, which is why the sketch is a bit smaller as well. One small cruiser is about as tall as the bottom Light Zone on the Mothership. Then I started guesstimating how many cruisers would equal the length of the Mothership and... https://i.imgur.com/2XU4HwN.jpg Over 40 cruisers equal the length of the Mothership. I counted 42 but, like I said, I'm not really a good artist... at all. Anyway, 4 km * 42 is 168 so I rounded down a bit and wrote 160 kilometers long. I probably should've rounded up though thanks to my horrible line work. So ~160-170 km long... that's still way smaller than the Dreadnaught, Almighty, and Leviathan, but it's a lot bigger than it sounds when comparing them. That's over TWICE the size of Nessus (60km in diameter)! That's bigger than the first Death Star (120km in diameter)! That's a dozen times bigger than the Traveler and way bigger than the Last City! If this thing parks itself over the City, it's going to cover the whole god damned thing. Combined with the fleet of over a dozen ships, it's a recipe for disaster... Imgur album: https://imgur.com/a/OQ7AljB Any thoughts (again) on the impending doom in 2 years?>