I feel like exotic special tracerifles are fine damagewise but I feel like they could use an ammo refund system here some examples Coldheart: collecting traces grand a small to moderate amount of special ammo. Wavesplitter: collecting orbs of power grant small to moderate special ammo Promethius lense: dealing damage with ignition grants small to moderate amount of special ammo( did this one a bit different because its the most ammo consumption trace) Just some examples, I think if they have an ammo refund system it would help out significantly, I don't use legendary trace rifles so I agree with buff ideas. Also just note on you're coldheart idea other have probably mention but stasis isn't ice, also its best to keep it arc cause agers is already a really good trace rifle and it would just be uneeded.

I wish Navigator had more utility outside of Strand and Prismatic Hunter, the Catalyst being completely useless without Grapple is disappointing. It would be great if activating it did something similar to Forerunner's Catalyst, turn your next grenade charge into a Grapple. Doesn't really buff it for the Grapple-melee spams that pump out huge damage but makes it much more worthwhile for everything else.

Could you imagine if they buffed microcosm?

Trace rifles will [b]NEVER[/b] be a viable go to option for anything. Why trace when you can auto for no ammo? Damage difference is minimal and easy of use far outweighs the difference.

IT'S POWERED BY COLD FUSION. IT IS NOT SHOOTING AN ICE LASER, IT WILL NEVER SHOOT ICE LASERS. IT'S NOT ICE POWERED, IT'S NOT POWERED BY ICE. THERE'S NO FÚCKING ICE INVOLVED. STOP ASKING FOR ICE WHERE THERE IS NO ICE TO BE HAD. Thanks for listening.

As a 600-crucible-kills Divinity enjoyer, I would like to see this thing shine in PvE as well. Give it Jolting Feedback (new perk). It fits the gun very very well and gives it some add clear utility as well. Ruinous Effigy needs some love as well, I would like the ball to receive damage buffs from surges & proc armor mods.

IMO I agree but it's just not them Trace Rifles and Glaives need some help especially if you have a special sidearm that clears out everything way faster. 2 expansions later and we still don't have catalyst for the class and heavy exotic glaives.

Their issue is that they are stuck between a rock (infinite ammo primaries) and a hard place (real special ammo weapons). They either need their damage cranked way up (with suitable ammo adjustments for balance) or turned into primaries (with suitable adjustments for balance). Their intended role will always be overshadowed otherwise.

I think at the very least exotic trace rifles should benefit from the 30% pve dmg to red bar enemies that exotic primaries get

Divinity is not fine. It has 0 ad clear capabilities thanks to dealing like half damage, only applies the basic 15% weaken, and the div bubble is only useful for like 2 bosses. It's biggest use is stunning overload champions but that's about it.

The changes all sound good and especially the change to coldheart since its kind of like a classic and forgotten about exotic. Some people have probably never really used it and the ionic trace thing sounds cool now that I'm slowly letting the game build a stasis build that might actually do something for me. I guess there's nothing that can be done about it other than remapping the buttons but ager's scepter's long press can pretty annoying for me. Maybe that's just me though. I do it by accident probably more than anything with any weapon in the game. I would like to see if they could get them into PvP in higher numbers without breaking it. Its been back and forth through several iterations of other weapons and some of those weapons have been about as ridiculous as any trace rifle should be.

[quote]10% flat buff to all trace rifles in pve[/quote] Love this. I’d maybe also increase their base reserves up to 700ish (not touching PvP ammo counts). Make them have less dps and more stringent requirements but have very high uptime for a special weapon. [quote]Another 5-10% vs elites and bosses (excluding divinity)[/quote] Also great. [quote](Ager’s Scepter)so honestly the catalyst is good and all but the fact it drains the super or the fact you have to get your super in general before using it is kinda meh. With changes and general ui additions such as weapon fill gauges for perks to activate agers should get a gauge that fills up off of stasis final blows and more off powerful combatants to long press into its overpowered form[/quote] I’m not a big fan of this idea. The super drain function is really neat and is what makes it unique. What I’d do instead is have the catalyst refund a portion of the ammo used based on the number of hits while in its super mode. This would make the cost outside of your super almost free and have it function as a super alternative instead of having to dump a lot of your special ammo too. [quote](Coldheart) even though this weapon is firing at subzero temperature its doing nothing related to the freezing cold its giving off. So why not make this a dual synergy weapon off its trait (longest winter) which instead of generating ionic traces while in its boosted damage state slows and freezes targets after picking up an ionic trace[/quote] It’s Cold fusion. The beam itself isn’t cold. The gun has to be super cooled for the reactor to work and fire the powerful arc beam. It’s not cold, it’s a mini-nuke powered laser. BUT I think you could tie it into stasis on the back end. Maybe for the catalyst, while on high charge damaging combatants slowly grants frost armor. Like the weapon’s icy exterior is freezing over you. Idk. [quote]and ionic traces fill the magazine from reserves to match the term (longest winter) [/quote] This is a very good idea. [quote]While (cold fusion) shoots a steady cold arc beam that periodically creates an ionic trace off of rapid kills or damaging a target for a period of time and picking up ionic traces boost this weapons damage[/quote] I’d just change this to Ionic Traces granting weapon charge or something instead of a different tier, and then just upping the weapon perk’s base damage. [quote](Prometheus) just aint doing well though incandescent was added which is good. [/quote] 100% agree on this. I’d also add that the heat field should also be more consistent and deal some sort of damage in PvE. [quote](Divinity) is fine where it is, its had its spotlight for long enough if anything (penance) should send lighting strikes down on targets under the effects of judgement long enough and jolting them to tie into it[/quote] Meh. I wouldn’t add that. I’d just have Judgement cage blasts hit adjacent targets and ramp the weapon’s damage slightly for a bit. Maybe +15% for 5 seconds. Make the cage detonation something somewhat positive. [quote](Ruinous effigy) my favorite meme weapon Evolution[/quote] Meh, I think all it needs is slight PvE DR with the ball. I like the light attack volatile thing tho. I think devour might be too strong for how easy it is to kill trash with. [quote](Wave splitter) just needs an additional damage increase by probably 20-30% to be what it should always be known as the dps trace with supercharged battery and harmonic laser[/quote] 100% agree on this. Overall good takes :)