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由DC_Rich編輯：
10/27/2015 7:29:21 PM
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The Taken King.... More like The Taken Kontent
Never have I played a game that removed content and put it all behind a paywall. This is a new low in the video game industry, and Activision and Bungie should be ashamed of themselves. I can no longer play the only things I enjoyed in the game, as they were all taken away.
I was thinking about buying TTK, but couldn't afford it just yet. So, I figured I would just do weeklies, play control, do some higher level strike playlists, and maybe some Iron Banner when it drops. Well, can't do any of that now. As a result of this under-handed business tactic, I will not be purchasing TTK, as I cannot support developers who treat their customers this way.
Now, before your even mention the EULA, know that there are consumer protection laws for some people, that prevent anyone from agreeing to an unfair contract, even if they previously accepted this agreement. And, I believe they are in violation of these LAWS, which the EULA is not.
*EDIT: for those interested, I have filed formal complaints with the BBB, as well as the Washington State Attorney General's Office Consumer Protection Division. I guess we will see just how far Bungie is legally allowed to take things, and if they are legally in the wrong.
As consumers, it is our right to complain of injustices, regardless of EULA's. Anyone refuting this fact is nothing short of ignorant. Now we will see what the law has to say.
*Edit: it's amazing how toxic this community is. It seems there is no camaraderie in this community, and people just resort to personal attacks at the first sign of someone having a different opinion, or a genuine issue with the product. Bungie, in my opinion, made a shitty decision, and showed they don't care for anyone who does not purchase TTK, and all the fanboy's can't see past their blind love for the game.
So I pose a question to everyone. Ignoring the EULA, what do you think of the way Bungie has handled this expansion roll-out with regards to those that have not purchased it? Put yourselves in their shoes, and give an honest answer.
*Edit: For those that care, the BBB complaint has been processed, and Activision has until October 02, 2015 to respond. Apparently hundreds of people have filed complaints against Activision for various games, with amicable resolutions. There is hope.
*Edit: just to clear a misunderstanding. I own the game and the first 2 expansions. I paid over $100 for all that just like everyone else. I don't want anything for free. I just want what I have always had... What everyone always had.
*Edit: So, Activision responded to my complaint, and had the following to say:
[quote]I understand your frustrations, I have dealt with other cases similar to yours. Unfortunately we are not in a situation to provide refunds or compensation. Unfortunately the only thing I am capable of doing for you is to pass along any feedback you might have. I do not know if this policy will change in the future. If there was more I could do, I would do it with no questions asked. For now if you have any more feedback please feel free to update this case along with your Gamertag/PSN ID. Thank you for your time and have a good day.[/quote]
They assume that all I want is money. I just want the features back. I already responded to them, and the BBB case. It seems Activision really doesn't care to solve the issue... big surprise there.
*Edit: For those that have not seen this. If Bungie is forced to do this, does that not mean their EULA was in violation of these customer's rights? They are forced to right a wrong, and have been given a reasonable window in which to address it. And yes, they are providing storage upgrades.
[url]https://www.destinythegame.com/size-requirements[/url]
*Edit: To all those following this, I have just received a response back from the Attorney General's Office Consumer Protection Division of Washington State. They have reviewed my complaint, and deemed it appropriate to move forward. Note, this is a law office deeming this a valid complaint regarding the Consumer Protection Act. So, if they see this as a valid complaint, what right does anyone else have to label this otherwise? They know the law better than you.
*Edit: This may be my final edit. For those interested, it appears you can get a refund on your purchase by sending your disc into Activision, and requesting a refund. As per Bungie's EULA, if you do not agree with the terms therein, you are entitled to a refund. So, any guardians out there that don't agree with what happened, and would like a refund, just send your disc to Activision and request one. One final note, should you do this, Bungie will apparently delete your characters and Destiny account from their servers; you have been warned.
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1 回覆Wow, bungie makes an amazing expansion that overhauls the game as we know it, and these -blam!-s try to ruin it. ITS A DAMN GAME take your stupid law stuff somewhere else. If you don't wanna play it, then I will show you the -blam!-ing door, sir. Just let us enjoy it without people like you.
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2 回覆Destiny is a game that is both a product and a service at the same time. You still have access to the product you paid for - all missions, strikes, and raids. They have stopped supporting certain services for players who did not purchase TTK, them being: curated weekly activites (heroic and Nightfall strikes), Trials of Osiris, Iron Banner, leveling and vendor economy, etc. If you expected to have the vanilla disc supported forever, that's just ignorant of how a persistent world game operates.
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They have to take all the content away from year one players and just put higher levels on it and give it to year 2 players, they do not have enough new content to justify 40 dollars otherwise so they put a lot of the same old stuff in there and hope these foolish sheep called desticles fall for it now throw them tha mmoonneeyy
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4 回覆They didn't take anything away. They raised a lvl cap and made your 34 weakling obsolete. You still can play the basic game.. Are we going to be dealing with these post every time the game changes?? Ten years of bitching about what I had in year one is getting old fast
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Technically. We agreed to do this. We just didn't read the Terms of service. You know what that means? You [b][i][u][let/u][/i][/b] them do it. [b][i][u]You[/u][/i][/b] agreed that they can do whatever they want. But that doesn't mean it's a dick move. But TTK I'm getting anyway, so I don't have a problem. Can't say the same for players by buying it.
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9 回覆You still have access to strikes and crucible playlists.. Am I wrong? I thought you just weren't able to level up to level 40 without ttk... Just out of curiosity... How can you afford to file a complaint and take legal action against bungie if you can not afford ttk itself??
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由KitsuneSonow編輯： 9/17/2015 11:31:17 PMFirst ,and foremostly, you have already agreed to the User agreement. This fact alone will get your case thrown out the window. This will more than likely insure that you yourself will be counter-sued for defamation, slander, violation of the User Agreement, and legal damages. Secondly, you are talking about features/events, not content. As you can still play all the old strikes, raids, and maps from the vanilla game at any time you wish. This again would get your case thrown at the window. Funnily enough, they did the same thing with Halo 3 playlists and releasing their map packs. Anyone from that time can easily tell you that they pretty much shut out a lot of people from a lot playlists just for not having certain map packs. Third, you bring up consumer protection law, most of which are over the regulations of trade and have nothing to do with a video game and the base model's content. They are all centered around credit, loans,debt collection, and product regulation for oversees. The only one that could possibly even pertain to this particular case is the Uniform Deceptive Trade Purposes Act. Considering The Taken King gives everything that it has advertised thus far, it is in no way fraudulent or was misleading in it's advertisement you again have no case. Finally, you are an idiot. Games have been doing this for years (the past 20 or so in fact). Why is it a problem now? Ever play an MMO? You can still play the vanilla content, but a lot of stuff becomes exclusive for those that buy the expansions. You can still play all the vanilla stuff if you want, just because you can't partake in events/activities doesn't mean they cut your content. Have fun losing with your extremely bad complaint. DCRich more like DCBitch.
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2 回覆quote][quote]Before we start let me say first off I am no "Desticle" I have not bought TTK and I have no intention to do so until I see review scores and impressions that make me feel its worth my $40 purchase. So I am missing out on the new content just like you guys are. I don't drink the Kool Aid. I think that $40 for a DLC is a joke even if it is an "Expansion". I personally believe I am one of the most outspoken critics on the forums regarding TTK and its various scandals. Then why am I bothering to post this you ask? Because I believe in fairness and the ranting and raving I am seeing in thread after thread is not fair towards Bungie. It is a HUGE overreaction and the bombastic claims of being robbed of content and being scammed is just downright idiotic. [b][u]You have not had any missions, strikes, raids, or weapons taken away from you that you have purchased. You can still play all the TDB missions/strikes, HoW missions/strikes and you can certainly still play the vanilla missions/strikes. The same goes for the crucible. You still have every right to play the maps that you have already paid for in the classic playlists in the crucible. [/u][/b] The only thing you have been locked out of is new endgame content like Nightfalls, Weeklies, Raid etc etc. That is not content that you bought that is a [i]FEATURE[/i] of the game. A feature that centers [i]around [/i]the latest content. When you bought TDB you bought the strikes, missions, gear etc etc and the Nightfall then took that content and featured it every week. Now that TTK is the latest content the Nightfall now features THAT content. So no you don't get to do the Nightfall because the Nightfall features new content. Content that you have not paid for. So please stop acting as if Bungie came into your game and pulled all of the missions and gear from your bleeding fingers and pissed on your Ghost. This is how expansion based games have operated for YEARS now. The new expansion comes out with new gear, new missions, and a new level cap. That new content is then featured front and center in every way and the old content is pushed off to the side. WoW, Diablo, SWTOR etc etc have followed this design for years. This is not new and this not shocking. They did it for TDB and they did it for HoW, but they did it on a smaller scale because they were smaller packages. TTK is essentially Destiny 1 part 2. So of course its impact on the day to day functionality of the game is gonna be MUCH more noticeable and much more profound. You paid for content. You got that content. You [i]still have[/i] that content. You can still play that content. [i]Features[/i] such as the endgame activities however will always be geared toward the latest content and if you don't have that content then you obviouslly cannot participate in the features that use that new content. The same goes for the levelcap as well. You paid for the level-cap to be increased in each of the new DLC's that came out because they were TIED to that content and you need that gear in order to REACH that new cap. They have now raised it again and have tied that cap to the new gear. Gear you don't have access to because you have not paid for it yet. So of [i]COURSE[/i] the Vendors are going to be selling the latest and greatest gear. Do you honestly think that they should still be selling old level Vanilla gear like Shadow Price or The Devil You Know even though its been outclassed ages ago? I understand that you are upset that your options are limited now because the content you bought is no longer[i] featured[/i], but don't sit their and claim that it is no longer there or that you no longer have access to it. Because it is and you do.[/quote][/quote]
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Are you retarded? Nightfall launches a strike according to the latest DLC. Its been that way. It was not taken from you its level cap is increased every dlc. You can't reach level cap 40 thus TTK is required. Weekly heroic once again you can't reach the level you can't get in simple. You still have a strike playlist and the classic crucible playlist, you have all your previous DLC strikes, and activities. The only thing that can count as removed were the old outdated strike list. You go right ahead file a complaint won't change anything. When will you learn that you got what you paid for. Period.
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Good job wasting the BBB's time with your frivolous crap. Spoiler alert: Nothing illegal has happened. You can still play all the story missions and Strikes and multiple PvP playlists and the raid. You just can't do end game level content for obvious reasons.
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7 回覆I'm sure you played or at least heard of Halo right? Are you aware that you can no longer play the Xbox version online anymore? They just up and took away the online content!! What's worse is they re released the game! You have to buy it again if you want to play halo online again?! It's like a paywall!!! Where's all the outrage here? It's the same concept right? I bought halo 2 but I can't play the online content without buying the MC collection and a console. Maybe I should file a complaint right???
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6 回覆Stfu dudes nowadays feel like they're entitled to everything. Just cause you grew up with money doesn't mean everything gonna be handed to you on a silver platter.
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5 回覆Damn. I didn't know they let middle schoolers use the legal system. The more you know, eh?
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