Reading through and I just knew that someone would throw up that fake ass "Muh Blade Dancer got nerfed" Bullshit. I have read through every single patch note and there is not a single mention of any nerf to Blade Dancer or any exotics that relate to it. The only thing I can find is people seeming to think there was a "Phantom nerf" that has been disproved several times. The only thing that got nerfed was arcbolt grenade and that was when it was about to be on 2 classes any ways so no that is not a Blade Dancer specific nerf. Ignoring all that let's observe some hypocrisies here : "Use X. it works every time" Yeah remember when Blade Dancers would constantly be like "Oh well you can shotgun and melee them, it works every time, you're just a noob if you can't do it". Unless it can work 100% of the time for everyone don't suggest it....EVER. "Jumping isn't effective" Yet another hypocritical thing by the blade dancers. This and just run were some of their favorite slogans back in the day. Hey did we forget that Blade Dancers had that ability where the lunge followed any warlock or titan into the sky even at their highest jump? But hey I guess you can forget something when trying to make an argument with the "Poor Me's" poured all over it. Now For your arguments: "Hammer of sol gets a 55% damage reduction" This is true, but only if they have maximum armor stat they can have. Tested this in crucible myself, without max armor they still get one shot by other supers (golden gun and arc blade included) and High Impact snipers. If you want something nerfed then just nerf their armor stat so it aligns with other max armor builds. I will give you this one, that it needs to be pulled back some, but not the increase in armor, just the armor stat [b](I repeat this is probably the one thing that does need to be toned down a bit so it's on par with the other titan classes) [/b] "Can 1hk any Guardian (with except to FoH or Other Hammer)" Again, Wrong. In Mayhem went against plenty of people using Blade Dancer and it took two hammers to kill them, same with sunsingers with self-res. Unless there is some new armor that gives them additional armor I don't know about (sunsingers weren't wearing the ram and blade dancers don't have one at all) then I don't get what was so different from the ones your faught. Also, did we forget Blessing/armor of light Titans? The only instance they can 1 shot any of the above mentioned is with flame charge which consumes 1/3rd of their super bar for 3x damage. "Increased agility/Tighter control" I am not one to believe that Titans are the tank class and should control like a tank. Without either of these they kinda control exactly like that in third person. Even with maxed out agility and a +2 agility weapon it just feels like they drag their feet. "Health Regen with Cauterize" Same with Hungering Blade really. Blade Dancer wouldn't be nearly as menacing if they didn't have health regeneration and insane armor. I tried running encore instead in PVP with mask of the third man and usually get one or two kills before getting mowed down. "Melee and Grenades" Yes, incendiary is a great grenade when thrown the right way and Solar is wonderful for dealing a lot of damage. Thermite could arguably be a good walling grenade if you know how to use it well. Why are people saying these aren't Stellar grenades? Because of the Bolt-type grenades, you don't need much set up with these types, you throw them they effect several enemies in an area, there is little skill with these types of grenades. Same as with the melee, yes it does leave at a sliver of health....but you have to be almost in Halo Melee range to get it off, Warlock have double this (even more with the extended range on stormcaller's melee) and hunters have pretty much a ranged melee on every subclass (except blink strike which is about 3x range, but again hungering blade allows for heals on kill so if they win a melee fight they walk free). When comparing any of these to other grenades and melees they fall short. People seem to be under the delusion that every titan subclass gets shoulder charge for free and their melee gets that extra range. Now with all this being said, one thing they have yet to fix is the Golden Gun not have ANY armor whatsoever, which is also something they should fix in the process. When I played as my hunter in PVP before TTK released I discovered that the only smart move was to activate your super from safety and fire away then otherwise you would lose everything. Again, I am not against the idea of the armor being brought back a bit to align with the other titan classes as well. Also, some insight here, it wasn't just titans complaining about blade dancer, it was warlocks as well. In the future, try not to be hypocritical and place blame on one class just because you are getting your rear handed to you by them. PS: I am one of the few people that enjoys all the classes and I never complained about blade dancer back in the day because (unlike most here) I realize there is little to no balance in PVP among the classes and adding 3 more sub-classes increases that imbalance.

With that toons game time,medal score and stats you cant speak for nerf balance etc. Oh and dont use spartan for your gt. Im 99% that dont even know ho spartans was.

Oh yea I remember that because it completely outclassed our supers and we [b]ran from it. [u]For a year.[/u][/b]

Medium range, like razors edge medium? They're very similar.

People who say bladedancer hasn't been nerfed either haven't used the class enough before or after 2.0 Slashing and R2 ability takes away a lot more of your super energy Dmg reduction definetly got reduced, 3 headshot bursts from a red death or 3 hawkmoon headshots (with some lucky bullets) will already kill you. 1 shotgun shot can kill you while it used to take a shotgun shot + melee The auto aim when slashing has definetly been nerfed and there seems to be some built in stop, if you melee while an enemy is 3 feet in front of you or 2 feet above you you would easily hit them before 2.0, you'll miss now when you try it. This will make you end up in their face while they're holding a shotty.

Jesus kid get a job

The whole sun breaker argument is opinion based. Every time. Is the super good? Yes. Every super is good. But for titans to have only one super that is capable of consistently being.useful compared to other classes having all supers being useful is a joke. I'd be alright if they nerfed it some, as long as the other supers were re evaluated too. But also, every titan super takes at least another super or more to kill. Nova bomb can kill anything, including all titan supers. Defender takes two golden gun shots to kill, (one to pop the bubble, one for the kill). Striker in fist of havoc takes two golden gun shots to kill. Sun breaker CAN be one shot by golden gun, but most of the time takes two. (I know this because I have recorded it every time it's happened so that anybody who says it cannot happen, I can easily prove wrong). Also, the grenades are mediocre. Why? Because every class has the same nades. Everybody can get a sticky grenade, everybody can get a pulsing grenade, and the incendiary grenade is the only really good grenade. Sunstrike is strong, if your close enough to land it. By that time, blink strike and energy drain have already took you down to one shot or flame shield pretty much has neutralized it. Sunbreaker is only good for the 18 seconds max that the super is active. And the super can be easily nullified by focused fire, movement, or a high damage means such as a shotgun, sniper or another super. (Hammer of Sol cannot take out a stormcaller at close range. If they have decent to high armor, you can't throw a second hammer fast enough to kill them.) Is it good? Yes. Could it be tweaked to satisfy those who can't adapt? Sure. So long as all supers are looked at.

Every subclass bar sunsinger can directly counter a hammer. I honestly don't see why everyone is moaning. Defender with suppression grenades Striker with FoH Sunbreaker with hammer Bladedancer with arc blade Gunslinger with golden gun Nightstalker with tether Void walker with nova bomb Stormcaller with whatever their gay super is called If you don't have your super, the activation sound for HoS is so loud that if you don't instantly run in the opposite direction then to be honest you deserve to die. BTW I main a Titan for PvE but generally run gunslinger for crucible.

I recently noticed just how weak bladedancers have become. The super lasts way too little and swings eat up a considerable chunk of the bar. Use it unsiwely, far from other opponents, and you get auto- punished, just like GG.